But that's missing out the point (for the manufacturers) of these devices. I was just in Tokyo, and it's very clear that (a) DVD recorders are being set up for this year's home electronics purchase for the general public, and (b) they are intended as VCR replacements. That means all the same features as a VCR, including a TV tuner. I can see the non-tuner units becoming professional use only, like a VCR deck with no tuner would be.

Regards

Mark