After going through tons of old builds, with an old XP laptop (USB to serial didn't work so got the XP laptop out of the barn), with 2 used PATA IDE's, the new build that wipes out all the old junk fixed my issues.

I'm not going into all the pain but 4 days (off and on) of fighting issues, glad both empegs are going again, thanks

Not sure if I'll do this again in 20 years, then again how old am I???