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#135386 - 16/01/2003 10:57 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: revlmwest]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5682
Loc: London, UK
the size of the award has to punish the defendant

In that case, the money should go to a charity, and neither the plaintiff nor the plaintiff's lawyer should see a penny of it.
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#135387 - 16/01/2003 11:00 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: Roger]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
... If the lawyers didn't see the money, we wouldn't have these kind of lawsuits. Hey, not a bad idea!!!
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#135388 - 16/01/2003 11:06 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: pgrzelak]
revlmwest
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Registered: 05/06/2002
Posts: 497
Loc: Hartsville, South Carolina for...
Not a penny of it would result in a lack of needed lawyers, but some sort of ceiling would be advantageous.
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#135389 - 16/01/2003 12:57 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: Roger]
Biscuitsjam
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Registered: 22/01/2002
Posts: 355
If there were no penalties assessed in the settlement, why do anything right? You can beat most lawsuits, so even when you legitimately owe money, you can simply refuse to pay. On those rare occasions that you lose, all you have to do is cough up what little money you owed in the first place.

McDonalds had an abysmal safety record. Numerous examples of their disregard to customers were made available during the trial. Furthermore, their cavalier attitude towards the lady with skin grafts angered the jury. They decided to give an astronomical settlement to send a wake-up call to McDonalds. They knew, as did everyone else, that this amount would be lowered in appeal.

I think the original settlement was something like 300 million dollars, whereas the final settlement was just over 1 million.

-Biscuits

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#135390 - 16/01/2003 13:57 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: lopan]
lectric
pooh-bah

Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
By the way, the headaches you are getting are called vascular headaches. They are caused by too much blood being allowed to circulate through blood vessels in the brain, increasing pressure and causing a headache. Caffeine (as well as nicotine) have a capillary-shrinking effect on your blood vessels, making them smaller. Your body then adjusts. After a while, this size is assumed by your body to be "normal" When you stop drinking caffeine, the vessels are no longer the correct size, and a headache ensues.

Aslo, Advil will NOT help a vascular headache. Believe me, I tried.

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#135391 - 16/01/2003 14:09 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: lectric]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Maybe aspirin? It thins the blood, right?
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#135392 - 16/01/2003 14:13 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: lectric]
peter
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4174
Loc: Cambridge, England
Aslo, Advil will NOT help a vascular headache. Believe me, I tried.

What's advil? Ibuprofen? I find paracetamol works fine against my caffeine-withdrawal headaches.

Peter

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#135393 - 16/01/2003 14:20 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: lectric]
lopan
old hand

Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
Thats a little scary, my blood vessels have gotten smaller... Quiting definately, maybe this is why I can't remember anything? Oh... wait a minute... that was the result of art college... nevermind
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#135394 - 16/01/2003 14:43 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: Laura]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
The biggest weight gainer (unless you eat a consistent fast food diet, in which case you probably have other malnutrition problems) is the sugar intake with coffee, tea and snacks. You may be OK in your original wieght loss plan by just having black coffee or tea with no sugar. Reducing the intake over a period of time would be beneficial too.
How long had you been having several cups of coffee per day? If it was a few years, going cold turkey like that was probably one of the more painful ways to drop it, as you found out.
Additionally, if you've had a bit of extra weight for a while, your body would be 'set' to that wieght and try to maintain that weight and you have to work REALLY hard to drop below that level and then MAINTAIN that weight until your body thinks that is the new normal weight.
Cutting out the sugar may be the best immediate solution.
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#135395 - 16/01/2003 14:43 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: lopan]
lectric
pooh-bah

Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Oh, and I understand that this is a good book on the subject


Edited by lectric (16/01/2003 14:47)

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#135396 - 16/01/2003 14:45 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: peter]
lectric
pooh-bah

Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Yes, Advil is Ibuprofin.

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#135397 - 16/01/2003 15:33 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: muzza]
Laura
pooh-bah

Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
Is that 1 lump or 2? 6 please Give up sugar, I don't think so.
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#135398 - 16/01/2003 16:24 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: lopan]
Cas_O
journeyman

Registered: 17/05/2000
Posts: 92
Loc: 's-Hertogenbosch; the Netherla...
Brett,

Perhaps the headaches and other effects aren't caffeine related...

It appears that Aspartame (the sweetner used in Diet Coke a.k.a Nutrasweet) may not be as harmless we think it is.

Have a read: KILLER COKE!!!

or
aspartamekills

or
Aspartame Warning

Urban legend? I don't know, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I do like to read about them...

I guess the suggestion to go cold-turkey with just good 'ol plain water is the best suggestion

[EDIT] Ah, forgot to mention, memory loss is a side effect too, apparently...

Cas


Edited by Cas_O (16/01/2003 16:27)

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#135399 - 17/01/2003 04:14 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: revlmwest]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5682
Loc: London, UK
needed lawyers

Surely that's an oxymoron?
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#135400 - 17/01/2003 06:25 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: Roger]
revlmwest
addict

Registered: 05/06/2002
Posts: 497
Loc: Hartsville, South Carolina for...
I knew someone would jump on this when I wrote it. What I meant was that companies have the money to attract good lawyers, if consumers are legislated out of financial awards then the consumer has nothing to attract a good (ok ok smart) lawyer.
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#135401 - 17/01/2003 06:54 Re: Beating Caffeine [Re: Laura]
fusto
addict

Registered: 27/12/2001
Posts: 504
Loc: Lummi Island, WA
I'm with you...
Theres a line in a Beastie Boys song that goes something like:
"I like my sugar with coffee and cream"
I always thought that summed it up best.


Z~
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