WMP9 has a built in "Advanced Tag Editor" which is accessible by right clicking a track in the Media Library. However, I think the synchronized lyrics stuff is only on XP.


I don't know if it's worth all the effort to get everything working every possible way. However, since WMP and lrc2sylt are apparently the only two programs that write the sylt frame, it would be nice if they both worked together. Even if we can't get it all working together, I'm the kind of person that always likes to know what's going wrong.


I think I'll try to get xmms running on OS X so that I can see how that plugin sees the lyrics. Besides that, what else might I do to test things? I haven't read through the ID3v2 spec yet. Can I just start editing things willy-nilly with a hex editor, or are the tag frames some fixed length that would break if I did that?

i've found the tag editor: if you are playing a song and right click on the visualization you can choose "info center view" and then "always show".... .it the new window displayed, you can choose the lyrics button and then you see the lyrics. in my case, there is only shown one line of the lyrics at a time.

hmm.... i've downloaded the brown eyed girl song that somebody posted here on the bbs and for me it works with empathic & wmp9 ?

I tried it out and it was pretty impressive. However, the area behind where the lyrics displayed, or would have displayed was black. Obviously this isn't a problem, and would be beneficial for not getting confused with the visuals. However, when you bring up a menu, and you can only see the bottom fifth (of the top rung), it is kindof annoying. Any thoughts?

Not sure what you're asking here... I'm assuming by "bring up the menu" you mean the player's menu, not mine.... And are asking me if I can somehow hide the lyrics display while the player menu is up. Well... I can't detect when that menu is up, unfortunately. That's in the player software. I think mlord has some screen-scraping taking place in the kernel that *might* let me know if the player menu is up, but I don't know if that information is available from user land.

I'll look into it....

hmm.... i've downloaded the brown eyed girl song that somebody posted here on the bbs and for me it works with empathic & wmp9 ?

Yeah, I downloaded that it and it kind of works for me on both as well. I tried a couple of my other files, and they appear to kind of work for both also. The file that I was using for testing (The Piña Colada Song) wasn't working before, and was leading me to some erroneous conclusions, I guess.


After more testing, here are the conclusions I've come to:


1. Synchronized Lyrics created in WMP will not show in emphatic. WMP uses Unicode, and emphatic won't deal with it. This wouldn't be fixed unless emphatic gets fixed to deal with Unicode, or someone can figure out how to get WMP to do ISO-8859-1 for lyrics instead.


2. MP3 files processed with lrc2sylt may or may not show their lyrics in WMP. My test case (The Piña Colada Song) didn't work, but when I removed the ID3v2 tag and tried again, it did work. Everything else I tried worked as well. So, this seems to be purely dependent on the phase of the moon and your standing in the universe. It SHOULD work, though.


3. Mp3 files processed in lrc2sylt have problems when you try to edit their lyrics in WMP. Specifically, when you bring them up in the lyric editor, only the first line appears to be there, although all the time stamps are there. If you actually click on one of the lines and click "Edit", the text for that line reappears. What's actually happening is that there's a newline character ($0A) at the beginning of every line, and that's confusing the editor. If you go through each and every line, though, and redo the first letter, the newline character goes away with it, and the line displays correctly.


4. Files edited in WMP will be saved as Unicode, and will not show in emphatic. Refer to #1.


So, for full interoperability, emphatic would have to support Unicode. I think the Lyrics Editor in WMP is a PITA, but maybe some people find it preferable to the lrc2sylt dance. I have no idea how hard this would be, Tony, but it seems worthwhile for the future. Also, to edit the lrc2sylt processed files in WMP, something's got to happen about the newline's saved in the SYLT frame. Tony, what's you're reading of the spec as to whether or not those are requred? The way I read it, they're explicitly allowed, and the WMP editor shouldn't choke on them, but they're not required except in content type 3 and 4. Will emphatic work without them? If so, maybe lrc2sylt should strip them before writing. (edit: or is it more correct to change them to $20? Is the whitespace before the content chunk required?)


By the way, these ID3 specs are wonderfully vague in their non-specificity.

Followup: emphatic appears to require white space before each line. If I take the Piña Colada Song and run it through a hex editor, removing all of the $0A and padding out the rest of the tag, emphatic plays it, but cuts off the first letter of every line. WMP plays it fine, and shows the lyrics fine as well. If I replace all the $0A in the frame with $20, emphatic plays it perfectly. WMP does too, but the lyrics editor has an extraneous space in front of every line but the first.


This may be all obvious to you Tony, but since I've never even looked inside an MP3 file, or glanced at the tag format, it's fun for me.

I just happened to run a ps when emphatic was running and noticed something odd. It looks like it's loaded twice. Is that something with emphatic or is that how Hijack launches programs?

sh-2.03# ps auxw
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND

#0 28 1.4 4.7 2052 696 ? S 02:24 0:14 emphatic
#0 29 0.0 4.7 2052 696 ? S 02:24 0:00 emphatic
#0 30 0.4 4.7 2052 696 ? S 02:24 0:04 emphatic

#0 68 0.0 1.9 1916 284 ? S 02:24 0:00 emphatic
#0 69 0.0 1.9 1916 284 ? S 02:24 0:00 emphatic
#0 70 0.5 1.9 1916 284 ? S 02:24 0:04 emphatic

The reason I ask is that I'm trying to conserve on RAM. I've got other things sucking my RAM too:

#0 46 0.0 0.8 1888 128 ? S 02:24 0:00 bash /usr/local/bin/ttsd
#0 51 0.0 0.3 1048 52 ? S 02:24 0:00 irattach /dev/ttyS2 -s
#0 52 0.1 0.5 6996 84 ? S 02:24 0:01 flite -l /usr/local/ttsd stdout
#0 74 0.0 0.5 1100 80 ? S 02:25 0:00 irobex_palm3

and hopefully, that bash will be going away soon.

P.S. Is it just me (Mozilla) or does the pre tag double-space the lines? I sacrificed fixed-width for this post and used q2.

Feature request: I was tagging the lyrics to the Animaniacs' Yakko's World and encountered a problem... there's some quick lines, specifically at the end:

[01:40]Crete, Mauritania
[01:41]Then Transylviania,
[01:41]Monaco, Liechtenstein
[01:42]Malta, and Palestine,
[01:43]Fiji, Australia, Sudan.

The WinAMP plugin didn't know what to do about two lines with the same time, and emphatic just blanked at that point and then scrolled several lines at the beginning of the next song.

Ok, so what I should have done was combine those two lines, but I didn't notice they were within the same second until it was already uploaded to the empeg.

How difficult would it be to add a workaround in emphatic that multiple lines with the same timing info should be appended and treated as a single line? Or is it so rare that I should just fix the lyrics for this one song and shut up?

or does the pre tag double-space the lines?

Yes.

So

  does

     the

        [\code]

           tag.

annoyingly.

Umm... That's weird. Check to see you didn't run it twice?

I know of nothing that would make it show twice in a ps listing. On my system it's just there once (well, once for each thread.)

Edit: Just thought of something.. Did you try changing EXEC to EXEC_ONCE in config.ini?

How difficult would it be to add a workaround in emphatic that multiple lines with the same timing info should be appended and treated as a single line? Or is it so rare that I should just fix the lyrics for this one song and shut up?

Pretty rare occurrence there. If those lines are really that fast, and you REALLY wanted them separate, you could add milliseconds to the timestamps, and the *next* version of emphatic will support milliseconds. That'd be a manual process though, unless someone writes that mystical GUI program that we all want.

Incidentally, since emphatic uses a sorted linked list with unique keys to store the lyrics, the second line (and all subsequent lines) with the same timestamp will just be ignored.

If those lines are really that fast

They are. Haven't you heard that song? We thought the perfect torture-test song was "It's the end of the world as we know it", but after seeing the Animaniacs song mentioned, I realize it's an even better one.

Found it. I'd added emphatic to B10tts (for TTS Clock). While I was playing around, I'd also turned on my M10ttsd which brings out a bug in preinit.

Did I miss a patch to preinit that fixes the problem of B scripts running a second time when an M is present?

Hi i tried installing this but this is the error i get while ftping ------ Installing emphatic...

C:\Documents and Settings\maistomeadows1\Local Settings\Temp>ftp -s:install-emph
atic.ftp xxxxxxxxx
Connected to xxxxxxxxxx
220 Connected.
User (xxxxxxxxxxxxx:(none)):
230 Login okay.
ftp> quote site rw
200 Okay.
ftp> cd /programs
250 "/programs" directory changed
ftp> bin
200 Okay.
ftp> put emphatic
emphatic: File not found
ftp> quote site chmod 755 emphatic
550 Failed.
ftp> quote site ro
200 Okay.
ftp> quit
221 Happy Fishing.

C:\Documents and Settings\maistomeadows1\Local Settings\Temp>pause
Press any key to continue . . .

C:\Documents and Settings\maistomeadows1\Local Settings\Temp>

ftp> put emphatic
emphatic: File not found

Is the file "emphatic" in that folder?

Yeah, as tfabris says, I think the emphatic binary isn't in the folder you're using...

or does the pre tag double-space the lines?

So does the [\code] tag.

The internals of the BBS treats both the same. The issue is that it parses line breaks and adds the <BR> tags manually, then your browser gets the <PRE> tags and doublespaces since the <BR> is there. More then a simple hack job to fix unfortunatly, hopefully 6.2 tries to address it.

Perfect Torture Test = Rattlin Bog by the Irish Descendants.

Check it out!

5 more points to the first person to get it tagged correctly!

(Or maybe a bag of Canadian Oreos for the unprivledged out there!)

Rene

What about Johnny Saucep'n by Moxy Fruvous?
This is getting fun...