Disclaimer: This is written from the point of view of an American, so references to certain aspects of the subject matter may or may not be relevant in your neck of the woods. Offer void in Tennessee and where prohibited.

For those who still listen to a fair amount of radio in their car, can you please tell me why people are listening to these morning shows? I love crude sexual humor as much as (or more than) the next guy or gal, but it's gotten so out of hand. Everyone is copying everyone else, trying to outdo the other guy, and for what? To tell you the truth, Howard Stern these days seems tame compared to what some of these local morning shows (and some of the less-popular syndicated shows like Don & Mike) are doing. This stuff is complete garbage and I don't know if anything they do is even funny anymore, it's just tawdry suggestive crap. ON A FSCKING RADIO. If I want my tawdry suggestive crap, I've got a cable modem connection and can find as much of it as I want.

So what is the attraction to these shows? What is it that they're doing that's so funny? And does anyone else think it's just gotten old, and is bordering on irresponsible and just plain wrong? The language they're using, while devoid of any of Carlin's seven words, is awful, and the subject matter is definitely not anything I'd want my kids listening to. And all this happens in a time slot that kids are very easily able to tune into.

By the way, the thing that got me on this topic is this "Hottest Teacher in Philly" contest by a radio station in Philly. Take a look for yourself and tell me if you think it's right. And don't be mistaken, I think many of those chicks are really hot, but the fact that a radio station is endorsing this kind of behavior in our teachers sickens me. As always, I welcome opposing points of view.

I don't listen to the radio much, and honestly I've never found that stuff entertaining at all. One of the last few things I heard on a local rock station in Houston before going completly Empeg was a contest where they'd select one male to fly out to somplace (I forget where) to select a porn star to sleep with. Their advertisment went something like "101 KLOL, the only radio station that will get you laid." Perhaps this is a normal thing, but it made me ill.

I agree with you, but, I think, not for the same reasons.

I've never found any DJ to be entertaining in the slightest. Other than, perhaps, Dr. Johnny Fever. Back in the good old days where they'd give you a little bit of commentary or whatever and put on some music, that was fine. But now (and, by ``now'', I mean years ago before I had an empeg, and, therefore, a vague reason to listen to the radio), I just end up screaming at the radio, ``Shut the fuck up and play some goddamn music!!!!''.

For one thing, they are almost never funny. And ostensible comedians who laugh at their own jokes irritate me to no end, even if said joke was funny to begin with. And they're so remarkably stupid and arrogant, too.

If they're not going to announce what that song was they just played, they're completely useless as far as I'm concerned, regardless of the propriety of their banter.

But at least they play about four songs every two hours, and actually change one out every month or so, so that makes up for it.

I find most of these boobs on the radio simply boring.

But of all the potentially offensive things they do I find it interesting that the hot teacher contest got you upset. What's wrong with teachers feeling sexy and wanting to show it on their own time? Should their personal lives and expression be restricted because they chose to be teachers?

-Dylan

And does anyone else think it's just gotten old, and is bordering on irresponsible and just plain wrong?

Yep.

Should their personal lives and expression be restricted because they chose to be teachers?

Yes. And believe me, this is not the kind of stance that I usually take on these types of issues, I am normally all for free speech, especially when it involves naked chicks.

But teachers are not just responsible for teaching kids who discovered America and how to do long division. They're there to inspire them, supervise them, and be role models. Now, hopefully kids have more role models at home, in their religious groups, etc. that they don't need to lean on a teacher for guidance in any really important manners. But the simple fact is, many don't. Teachers are basically a kid's parents between the hours of 9-3, and for homes where the kids come home to an empty house, teachers may be the adults that a kid spends more time with than any other.

I'm not talking about high school kids here, because I know that by age 16 or 17, most kids these days are already getting blowjobs in between classes and getting high during study halls. And with all the press that these teacher-student sex stories have been getting, posing semi-nude seems pretty darn tame. But some of those teachers are kindergarten teachers, 3rd grade teachers, etc. At those impressionable ages, I do not think that any kid should have to be asking their teacher why they posed half-naked for a stupid radio promotion. There is absolutely no way that the kids will not find out about it, and thus the school administrators would find out about it. If I were a school administrator and one of my 4th grade teachers was involved in this contest, I wouldn't think twice about getting rid of her. Let the ACLU beat down my door, but I think it sets such a bad example, and I know that if she doesn't get fired, the parents of the kids are going to beat down the door even harder than the ACLU will.

This is definitely an issue that goes against my normal grain... So I don't know if it's even legal to fire someone over something like this, something tells me it might not be. But I think it's really shameful that these women chose to do this, knowing that within minutes, their students are going to be looking at the pictures on the Internet. I just value education (especially at the primary and secondary levels) very much, and think that teachers should make better choices.

Having said all of this, I absolutely positively wanted to nail my French teacher in 9th grade.

This all assumes the stance that nudity is immoral.

I dunno. Howard Stern has made many of my commutes tolerable... In fact, when I listen to his show, I often can't get out of the car because I want to hear what happens next!

I like Jackass too. Adolescent humor is sometimes fun.

- Jon

True. But I have never found either of those things to be humorous.

This all assumes the stance that nudity is immoral.

If you saw my porn collection, you would understand that's not my position. I am a huge fan of nudity, and don't think it's immoral at all. I wholly support a person's right to get naked, or in these teachers' cases, semi-naked.

As a matter of fact, the photos themselves are generally tame, and you can see worse at any beach, shopping mall, reality TV show, etc. It's not about the nudity. It's about the message it sends to young girls, and even to the boys who are now going to be popping chubbies in their classes instead of paying attention. I know that the "objectification of women" argument is kind of tired, and even mainstream women are saying that they're proud to show what they have and be beautiful. And I for one am 100% in favor of that. But I think that in an era when kids are being bombarded with mixed messages about sex, it'd be nice if at least the teachers could set a better example.

I guess I'm on my own on this one.

I guess I'm on my own on this one.

Not totally alone . . . though you can probably guess I take a much stronger stance against public nudity in general. But I'd agree that the teacher thing is a bad example and in poor taste.

I think the biggest crime is the lack of humor in those captions. Wow are those lame. They read like that guy on your college dorm hall who wanted to write for Maxim but wasn't very good.

I'm a Don & Mike fan, but I haven't listened to them in years and years. Even then, I only listened for a very small time. I mainly like them because they live in my area, and one of their kids (either Mike's or the other Mike's) went to my middle school.

To give you an idea, the last time I listened to them was when Tickle-Me-Elmos were huge. They somehow got ahold of like 20 of them, and were running a bunch of contests to give them away. I thought it got pretty funny.

But I guess I can't comment. I've never really found any DJs funny, so whatever they do doesn't bother me.

Oh, and that Lisa is extremely hot.

If you're in favor of nudity, then what is the better example that can be set?

If you're in favor of nudity, then what is the better example that can be set?

Deep-throating a 14" long sausage before roll call?

I just graduated from high school, and work at a local Coffee shop.. lets just say I totally feel that some of these talk shows are responsible for the reason I have to kick kids off of my stores premises on a daily basis... they all listen to the radio at all times of the day, they think that the stuff they listen to is humerous and act it in public.. the worst part is they are all younger then me and think they are more mature because they act and dress the way they do... honestly its humiliating being assosiated with them... howard stern has always been cool... but the so called "tame" stations advertize rude and crude behavior on a less noticable wave.

And I have NO idea why people listen to this... if I wanna hear talking.. I'll listen to the news... not something that most likly iisn't even happening

Offer void in Tennessee and where prohibited.

Please clarify, my sister lives in Chattanooga - what makes it different to the rest of the US? - just for the benefit of someone the other side of the pond!

Yes, this contest is despicable...but I had to vote for #2. WOW

What is funny is a matter of personal opinion and usually offends someone. That fact that this crap is openly on the air makes it harder to raise kids with proper morals. Should it be banned? I dont think so.

I believe he was just making fun of the endless parade of qualifications you often hear at the end of advertisements and offers. Tennessee is not particularly different than the rest of the deep South, other than regular interstate differences.

Yeah. I pick Tennessee because it seems they're always one of the exceptions. The Simpsons has picked up on this as well:

From Treehouse of Horror VI:

Lisa: Hey, Springfield! Are you suffering from the heartbreak
of...Monster-itis? Then take a tip from Mr. Paul Anka!
[Paul waves, begins playing a small synthesizer and singing]
To stop those monsters, one-two-three,
Here's a fresh new way that's trouble-free.
It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...[winks]
Lisa: [singing] Guarantee void in Tennessee.

I also have heard the quote "Valid in 49 states - Sorry Tennessee!" but I can't remember where that one comes from.

It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...[winks]
Lisa: [singing] Guarantee void in Tennessee.

One might argue that they used it just because ``guarantee'' and ``Tennessee'' rhyme.

"Monsterssssss...Monstersssss.....It'll sound alot better comin' out of Paul Anka"


I think it's just one of those phrases that catches on. Instead of naming certain states I think they now just say "Void where prohibited."

And I was sitting here thinking that the European Union was a beaurocratic nightmare!

One might argue that they used it just because ``guarantee'' and ``Tennessee'' rhyme.

Yeah, one might..

Yes, this contest is despicable...but I had to vote for #2. WOW

Yeah, she's going to win it. If you read the fark.com discussions on this contest, someone found a link to a bunch more pictures of her on a "girl next door" type modeling page or something. So she's obviously not interested in being a teacher in the future, it just happens to be what she's doing now. I'd personally rank #'s 5, 15, and 9 ahead of her, but I'm quite sure #2 will win the contest.

Should it be banned? I dont think so.

The freedom of expression advocate in me agrees with you. I am generally never in favor of anything that limits free speech. I guess my emotion is more disappointment than outrage.

I'd personally rank #'s 5, 15, and 9 ahead of her

Despite our differences on the ... decency ... involved in this issue, we seem to have similar tastes in women.

but I had to vote for #2. WOW

totally in agreement to that

... though you can probably guess I take a much stronger stance against public nudity in general

If God wanted us to walk around naked, we would be born that way

Sorry, I could not resist.

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Or, more seriously, what is exactly wrong with nudity (non-commercialized, plain enjoy-the-sun/wind/sea kind of nudity as, say, in nudist camp)? Then, what is wrong with commercialized nudity of, say, a model who sells his/her looks as opposed to, for example, politicians who modify their 'sincere convictions' to opinion-poll results? Is modeling one's hair in shampoo commercial OK? Legs? At which body part it stops being OK and why?
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#5 is certainly the cutest....

WOW. Yeah, for that Lisa I was also thinking "Maxim, here I come." Just WOW.

#5 is cute, but not the hottest, which is what the contest is for. She looks a bit like Maura Tierney.

If God wanted us to walk around naked, we would be born that way

Then, what is wrong with commercialized nudity of, say, a model who sells his/her looks

Of course the understanding here is that we're coming from two different perspectives, and I'm going to try and not get too deep into it (though I always fail at that don't I?). The following of course flows out of a religious conviction I fully expect most people don’t share.

I think that the root problem is lust, or the aforementioned “objectification of a person”. This doesn’t simply mean “promoting a person’s gifts” such as a pretty face or a good voice. When using pornography men (or women) experience the trappings of intimacy without the substance of it. This is not how sexual attraction was meant to be exhibited. Sex is a wonderful, intimate experience between a husband and a wife where two people physically express their relationship to one another. When sex becomes a one-sided experience, however, it is turned from a positive experience into a negative one.

How all this relates to nudity? The truth is that in a perfect world there would be no lust, and therefore public nudity would not be an issue (see the Garden of Eden before the apple incident). However we do lust (or most of us do) and therefore there is a problem. You can argue (correctly) that the human body can be admired in a non-lustful way, but it’s fairly clear that the pictures posted above, and pornography in general, are attempting to play upon lustful desires: these women’s bodies are being used by men to satisfy sexual desires without regard to the women themselves. I don’t know about nudist colonies, having never been to one. I know that I would be probably very lustful with a bunch of naked women around, but I think that perhaps nudist colonies aren’t intended to promote wanton lustful desires (or maybe they are, someone who knows more can tell me).

I could say more, but that’s about the core of my feelings on the subject. I’m already sounding pretty judgmental, but really I’m just stating how I see sex and nudity from my belief system. If you think that lust is natural and good (or at least not bad), then clearly my above arguments carry no weight. I, of course, do think that lust is not a good thing and thus feel that promoting it in any way is not a good thing.

WOW. Yeah, for that Lisa I was also thinking "Maxim, here I come." Just WOW.

Nice.. If that happens, she'll be well on her way to big money and fame, and we can all keep a look out for when she shows up in "Cum-Drenched College Cuties #167." Much to the chagrin of her former students, who will then have to shoplift Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues instead of clinging to their fading memories of biology class.

I’m just stating how I see sex and nudity from my belief system. If you think that lust is natural and good (or at least not bad), then clearly my above arguments carry no weight.

Jeff, sometimes you can be frustrating.

It would be so much easier to rant against you as a religious fanatic if you didn't express your opinions in such a well-crafted and thoughtful manner.

While you and I do not see eye to eye on most things, rest assured that I (and I suspect the great majority of people on this bbs) certainly do appreciate and enjoy reading your alternative viewpoints.

Keep them coming.

tanstaafl.

Yeah. I pick Tennessee because it seems they're always one of the exceptions.

It's like Canada and Quebec!

Thanks for the kind words. I realize that there’s a fine line between stating one’s opinion and just being a general pain. I try not to be the latter, but I think it’s important to do the former. I also appreciate hearing alternative viewpoints, as ideas unchallenged always have very weak foundations. I try to keep my super-religious posts to a minimum, but every once in a while I just feel compelled to speak!

My thoughts exactly.

(Reply to Jeff coming this evening...)

(Reply to Jeff coming this evening...)

Ho boy, opened a can of worms now haven't I? FWIW I'm going to be indisposed for the next few days so if I don't keep the dialog going you'll know why.

A very old and battered can of tired worms, but as Doug said, it's always pleasure to have discussion with you

Maybe as Bonzi says this is an old can of worms, but I find reading this thread interesting....

yn0t_: So what is the attraction to these shows? What is it that they're doing that's so funny? And does anyone else think it's just gotten old, and is bordering on irresponsible and just plain wrong? The language they're using, while devoid of any of Carlin's seven words, is awful, and the subject matter is definitely not anything I'd want my kids listening to. And all this happens in a time slot that kids are very easily able to tune into.

I think that my credentials as a sexist pig are pretty impeccable, and I consider myself a very zealous free speech advocate, but I share your bewildered disgust. Part of my great dismay with the recent Republican FCC consolidation ruling is that I feel that conglomerate media are getting further and further away from any of the basic “public service” notions that used to be paid at least lip service by the FCC/government. Instead , we get lowest-common-denominator puerile shock talk targeting 18-35 year-old male consumers. Period. I may be wrong on the exact demographic or I may be oversimplifying, but I think you get my drift. I find a lot of the “wink, wink” adolescent sexual innuendo in a lot of prime-time TV pretty lame as well.

gsm01320: I just graduated from high school, and work at a local Coffee shop.. lets just say I totally feel that some of these talk shows are responsible for the reason I have to kick kids off of my stores premises on a daily basis... they all listen to the radio at all times of the day, they think that the stuff they listen to is humerous and act it in public.. the worst part is they are all younger then me and think they are more mature because they act and dress the way they do... honestly its humiliating being assosiated with them... howard stern has always been cool... but the so called "tame" stations advertize rude and crude behavior on a less noticable wave.

This is really interesting. Makes me feel a little less like an old fart!

When I encounter this media “hypersex” and, worse, the flat-out misogyny of a lot of music, I tend to consider it in terms of 3 people: my delightful 96 year-old aunt, my delightful 26 year-old niece, and my friend's delightful 7 year-old son. Yeah, I think about how my aunt feels when she has to deal with that kind of behavior, what my niece's life will be like in a world where popular culture runs shows like “Are you Hot?” (sp?), and I really have to think whether my friend's son will grow up thinking that “bitch” and “Ho” are just normal parts of everybody's conversation and that sorry things like “Girls Gone Wild” are rilly, rilly cool. Part of my unease with performers like Eminem who explain that “people just don't get the joke” is that 7 and 10 and 12 year-old boys generally don't get the joke.

Another friend of mine has a very bright 10 year-old daughter, but “Mom” is very distressed at the complete absorption of her daughter's peers with Britney-esque dress and sexual “tease” behavior. These poor kids seem like they have really absorbed the “midriff” culture message that being sexy is what it is all about --- more like *all* that it's about. Mom has to spend a lot of time trying to keep her daughter's head screwed on straight.

I'm not big on sexual repression and actually feel that countries that embrace and expose sexuality more (say French TV commercials with naked women) have less to worry about than do we here in the U.S. I just find the tease/boob-job/male fantasy culture that seems to be getting worse is not good for 1/2 of the population. Maybe these teachers would condemn me for saying so, but I feel sorry for them. I don't think their mothers succeeded in keeping their heads screwed on correctly.

wfaulk: Tennessee is not particularly different than the rest of the deep South, other than regular interstate differences.


Maybe not very different, but I think Tennessee has gotten specific attention around issues like pronography and evolution/creationism that have led to some of the barbs.

FerretBoy: Of course the understanding here is that we're coming from two different perspectives, and I'm going to try and not get too deep into it (though I always fail at that don't I?). The following of course flows out of a religious conviction I fully expect most people don’t share.

I think that the root problem is lust, or the aforementioned “objectification of a person”. This doesn’t simply mean “promoting a person’s gifts” such as a pretty face or a good voice. When using pornography men (or women) experience the trappings of intimacy without the substance of it. This is not how sexual attraction was meant to be exhibited. Sex is a wonderful, intimate experience between a husband and a wife where two people physically express their relationship to one another. When sex becomes a one-sided experience, however, it is turned from a positive experience into a negative one.

How all this relates to nudity? [...........]

I could say more, but that’s about the core of my feelings on the subject. I’m already sounding pretty judgmental, but really I’m just stating how I see sex and nudity from my belief system. If you think that lust is natural and good (or at least not bad), then clearly my above arguments carry no weight. I, of course, do think that lust is not a good thing and thus feel that promoting it in any way is not a good thing.

As always, you score great marks for laying out your position thoughtfully. As you might expect, I don't agree with some of your premises, but I am of two minds on some of what you say. I tend to see “lust” as a fact of life that goes back as far as human history and one that has, for better or worse, left its mark on many of the pivotal events and stories we find familiar (Helen of Troy as example). It is my imperfectly-supported feeling that many of the attempts to suppress sexuality in societies have been led by the people we should be most worried about – repressed, righteous clerics who later on turn out to be pedophiles, for example.

I agree in part that one-sided relationships can lend themselves to “objectification”, but again I feel that some of this is a fact of life. Not everybody finds that perfect partner, some lose theirs. The world stubbornly refuses to conform to strict 1 Man + 1 Woman formally married partnerships as the basis for sexual feeling. My condom jokes notwithstanding, I don't think that I pose any particular risk to the women of Amersfoort, but I do hope to lust after them. I'd worry if I didn't.

I don't have any direct experience with official nudism, but I have driven around some of the spots in France with big “Naturisme” beaches (carefully trying to take the right turns!) and it is my sense that folks who embrace this whole nudism thing spend a lot less time worrying about lust than the average American guy. I, personally, probably wouldn't manage to blend in very well on one of these beaches, but maybe if I were brought up that way....?

Soooo, I guess I am doomed to remain a sexist pig and I think that lust is just fine and a fact of life, but I guess my concern is that we, in our media and pop culture institutions and our “Britney-type” midriff imagery, are institutionalizing an unhealthy one-sided sexual culture to the detriment of all players.

Oh, and that Lisa is extremely hot.

And, as forecasted, she won. Ho-hum. Two of my three personal picks tied for 6th. I stand by my statements, however, and submit this as further proof that the concepts of democracy and majority rule still need some tweaking. Especially when a plaid miniskirt, knee-high stockings, and a ridiculously see-through bra are enough to "stuff" the ballot boxes with votes for a clearly less-hot teacher. If any of the other truly hot teachers had shown their nipples like Lisa did, I think they would have had it locked up.

Not that I'm complaining, nor would I kick Lisa out of bed. Well, maybe in the morning...

And, as forecasted, she won.

YAY!!

YAY!!

Bah, what do you know, you're a chick.

But she's a chick with an Empeg!

or...

Hey, if her boyfriend's obsession with cars has rubbed off on her, maybe some of her boyfriend's other obsessions have, as well!
Edit: Well hey, this *is* in a Howard Stern thread!

Yeah, let's go alienating the women. Lord know there are so many here that we can afford to lose a few.

Elle, rest assured that these guys are just pulling your chain.

I for one am so sick to death about hearing about "HOT" women. The rest of us who are not so hot should just go around wearing sacks for clothes and bags over our heads or shoot ourselves and be done with it. We're not worth bothering with.

Aw, crickey, Bitt, given that Elle was just cheering for the winner of a Hottest Teacher contest, I'm sure she's capable of recognizing some good natured ribbing.

yn0t_: Bah, what do you know, you're a chick.

and your point is........???......

But she's a chick with an Empeg!

or...

Hey, if her boyfriend's obsession with cars has rubbed off on her, maybe some of her boyfriend's other
obsessions have, as well!
Edit: Well hey, this *is* in a Howard Stern thread!

I never needed to have his obsessions rub off onto me.... I've always been bi...(hey... a lot of females ..AND MALES are... its natural) best of both worlds....
however...however.. I mearly was comenting that yes... she is hot.. in those pictures she had that whole thing going for her

Elle, rest assured that these guys are just pulling your chain.

don't worry about me... I love how close minded a lot of guys are... lol... even after they say how OPEN minded they are...hhaha..

And FWIW, one needn't be bi to be able to appreciate physical beauty in either gender.

I for one am so sick to death about hearing about "HOT" women. The rest of us who are not so hot
should just go around wearing sacks for clothes and bags over our heads or shoot ourselves and be
done with it. We're not worth bothering with.

Laura

Laura , Laura, Laura... it will never ever end... guys always will be talking about hot girls this.. hot girls that... in fact... even a lot of girls will say.. "she's hot".... its really all just relative.... girls say the same things about guys... "ooooo did you say that waiter? lets give him a large tip... he's soooo hot ::giggle giggle::" and "damn he's so fine"
and you don't even have to be "hot" to hear it .... whatever hot really is....
lets face it... I'm sure she only looked that good for the photo.... and even if not.... who cares? just say this to yourself..
" I like myself.. I like myself...."
heaven know I don't think I'm even close to being "hot" but my boyffriend says I am... a lot of guys say things flattering.... so... i guess to some... I am... its all relative girl.... deal with male hormones...lol...

I'm sure she's capable of recognizing some good natured ribbing.

you have no idea..lol
thanx

And FWIW, one needn't be bi to be able to appreciate physical beauty in either gender.

that is a beautiful point to add here. Beauty is.... well.. beauty is in the eye of the beholder... name that quote...
(don't know how that fit exactly... but it got added anyways..)