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#183331 - 07/10/2003 15:04 California and Arnie?
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
How likely is he to get in? What are your views if you live there?

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#183332 - 07/10/2003 15:06 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
i dont live there, but if i did my vote would be for georgy russell
26 year old programmer, knows linux. cute.

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#183333 - 07/10/2003 15:08 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: RobotCaleb]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
ooh ooh I want to be Georgy General!

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#183334 - 07/10/2003 15:17 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
If you believe the polls, he's going to win, and i'm pissed about it. I doubt he even has a clue how a bill becomes law, and he'll be the "leader" of our state. On top of it i'm pissed that this recall even happened in the first place. What a collosal waste of money by a state that is already way way in debt and is cutting essential programs like "edumacatin' tha lil' 'uns" to make up for it. The worst part is that this will set a precedent, and this will keep happening when a minority of the people are unhappy with the Governer. Davis was elected, and hasn't done anything that warrants this recall in any way shape or form. I don't like him or most of his policies, but he was fairly elected, and should finish his term.

Now we'll have a minority elected Governer. Hows that any better?

This just reminded me... what ever happened with Jesse Ventura? How was/is he as a Governer?
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#183335 - 07/10/2003 15:26 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
davec
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Registered: 18/08/2000
Posts: 992
Loc: Georgetown, TX USA
Actually Ahnold is supposed to be a rather savvy real estate investor and I'm sure he's gotten a good grasp of the concept of law to be able to make the money he did in real estate. As for the recall, it's the political process at work, granted it was started by the Republicans that didn't want Davis in anymore, it is the process the State of California has in place, and it would have been wrong legally to not allow the recall election to go forth. Now, as for whether or not it will benefit the state is a different matter.
What I found humorous/disturbing is some interview I caught the other day with someone talking about California being the "pulse of the nation and where it's headed." I sincerely hope he had his head up his ass, because if the rest of the US goes the way of California, I'm moving to Mexico...
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#183336 - 07/10/2003 15:47 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: davec]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Real estate law and the way the government actually works are worlds apart, but i'm sure he's not a complete moron.

As for the process... agreed that it has legs in the law, but it's purely politically motivated. It's not like some grass roots movement that upset Californians started because they didn't like what Davis was doing. It's pure party politics. It took a small minority of people to get it going (one man actually), and thanks to them the state has to spend upwards of 75 million following through. I'm opposed to the recall on principle more than anything. This state is a laughing stock. Canada's looking nicer and nicer. Too bad i hate Winter.
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#183337 - 07/10/2003 16:06 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
Ventura (Governor Turnbuckle) campaigned as a fiscal conservative / social liberal. Got elected turned into a total liberal put the state into debt then didn't run for re-election.

Oh yeah then he got a show on MSNBC that premiered Sunday I think. Now I get to hear the news talk about it getting crappy ratings.


Edited by msaeger (07/10/2003 16:09)
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#183338 - 07/10/2003 17:00 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
Posts: 1172
Loc: Hants, UK
I liked the "porn for guns" chick, but would that quality of the pr0n you get be related to the quality and... ahem... size of your "guns"?

Also, what will Matt Groening's take be?


WOLFCASTLE FOR GOVERNOR!!!!

Gareth

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#183339 - 07/10/2003 17:43 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
visuvius
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Registered: 18/02/2002
Posts: 658
The whole thing is a farce really. I pretty much agree with Loren -- I don't find Davis particularly interesting, and he is starting to look more and more like a penis-head, but IMO , the guy didn't do enough damage to warrant being recalled. The Republicans just wanted hiss ass out.

I am still having trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that Conan is going to be the next President of my state. Whatever though man, my vote is going to Mohammed Arif -- I gotta support my peoples.




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#183340 - 07/10/2003 17:47 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
cushman
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Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
Learn to snowboard, it makes winter much nicer!
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#183341 - 07/10/2003 18:12 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: cushman]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
I can snowboard just fine thank you! That's one of the benefits of the Bay Area... i can drive 2.5 hours and be in the snow during winter... but i don't have to LIVE in it. =]
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#183342 - 07/10/2003 19:07 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
For all those interested, live results will be posted Here. There are some pretty cool little applets too.


Edited by lectric (07/10/2003 19:07)

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#183343 - 07/10/2003 19:35 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: lectric]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
If the polls are any indication, I here the vote is Yes and Arnold has a 51% lead. Bustamonte (sp?) has about 30%-something. Sorry, Loren. That bites.
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#183344 - 07/10/2003 21:30 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: Dignan]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
The same numbers are carrying through with the official results. That is, of course, with only 3.6% in so far. Oh, and Gary Coleman is running 10th. Unbelieveable.

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#183345 - 07/10/2003 21:38 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: lectric]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
It's a joke to so many people it makes me sick. I lost count of how many times i over heard conversations of guys talking about how they were gonna vote for the porn girl or for Arnold because they want the Terminator as the Governer.

The other thing that's making me angry... Exit polls are now apparently gospel. That, and they've been saying the same thing all week on every news broadcast, and talk radio show i listen to, which pisses me off to no end. I haven't heard one word about any other candidate in 2 weeks. It's just Arnold and Grey. That's all you hear. Calling an election before the polls are closed should be WAY illegal.
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#183346 - 07/10/2003 21:43 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
10-4. Especially when it really can screw up results. It can lead to any number of things, like people running out to vote when they hear their candidate is losing to people thinking "why bother" if their candidate is winning. And of course exit polls mean diddly [censored] when it comes right down to it, so why not wait and post the results an hour later, when it's officially in the record books. I mean, there's no problem reporting numbers as different counties or precincts report in, at least at that point voting is over.

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#183347 - 07/10/2003 21:47 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: lectric]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
Did any one else see the Who wants to be governer of Calif. gameshow .

The highlight was the very bouncy Mary Carey. Very popular with the studio audiance.
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#183348 - 07/10/2003 22:11 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
Absolutely, Loren. It's really been a shame. Arnold basically got free publicity throughout the entire two minute long race. He's all the media could think of and talk about. Very sickening.

I mean seriously, when it comes down to it, what difference is there between Arnold and any of the other candidates? The difference is public deception. It's his money, his movies, (partly) his wife and public life, and it fools a hell of a lot of people into buying this crap.

And to think I stood by Arnold in his movie career. Even through Eraser.
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#183349 - 07/10/2003 23:23 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: Dignan]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
I'm watching his acceptance speech. I feel like i'm in some parallel universe. *pinch* *pinch pinch pinch*





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damn.
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#183350 - 08/10/2003 00:30 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
I feel like i'm in some parallel universe.
Yeah, it's really strange to see an actor end up in office. I mean, that's never happened before.

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Oh no... you don't suppose he intends to... Uh oh!

I wonder if the people who did the Davis Recall campaign would still have done it if they'd known there was a chance it might bring another actor one step closer to the White house.

God help us all...
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#183351 - 08/10/2003 00:37 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: tfabris]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
I feel like i'm in some parallel universe.

Come on, we're talking California here...

Oh no... you don't suppose he intends to... Uh oh!

IIRC, him not being born in the US would prevent that, wouldn't it?

/Michael
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#183352 - 08/10/2003 00:46 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: tfabris]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
Fortunately, there's still the matter of the constitution saying that one has to be born in the US (a natural citizen) to be able to run for Prez. Unfortunately, Sen. Orrin Hatch is working on trying to amend that.

Gropinator for Gov. Whee. I mean... come *on* people -- did you totally not notice his complete lack of a platform? Gah.




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#183353 - 08/10/2003 00:47 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: mtempsch]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
IIRC, him not being born in the US would prevent that, wouldn't it?
Not if some people could help it.
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#183354 - 08/10/2003 00:55 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: canuckInOR]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Fortunately, there's still the matter of the constitution saying that one has to be born in the US
*PHEW*

Thanks for giving me the civics lesson and making me less worried.
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#183355 - 08/10/2003 01:02 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
"I believe the time has come to address the antiquated provision of the constitution that requires our president to be a natural-born citizen," said Hatch, according to the Herald News of Fall River, Mass. "It has long outlived its original purpose."
Umm, how about getting rid of the antiquated electoral college while your at it, since that bothers me much more then not letting non natural born citizens run for president. Better yet, also do something to get rid of this two party rut we have been in for way too long.

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#183356 - 08/10/2003 04:27 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: loren]
Anonymous
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Calling an election before the polls are closed should be WAY illegal.


I disagree. Eventhough the 2nd article of the Bill of Rights has been infringed many times over (especially in California), I'd like to at least see the 1st article remain intact. The problem is the stupid mass of people who believe everything they hear on tv.

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#183357 - 08/10/2003 04:29 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: tfabris]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
Bookies here are taking bets on the constitution being changed, and Arnie becoming President!

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#183358 - 08/10/2003 06:56 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
At what odds?

/Michael
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#183359 - 08/10/2003 07:02 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: mtempsch]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
And what time limit? Seems like waiting for Arnie to run for prez would be a loooong time away.

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#183360 - 08/10/2003 07:17 Re: California and Arnie? [Re: mtempsch]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
Odds of 500-1 at William Hill ! No sign of a time limit! Now been reduced to 50-1 after a flurry of bets!

See here


Edited by PhilipOHare (08/10/2003 07:22)

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