#187752 - 03/11/2003 07:03
project rerip update
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Pooh-Bah
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okay converted loads of my CDs into flacs and then into mp3s
Now i have 26gig to upload Now if memory serves me correct emplode sticks each upload onto the disc with most space so if i was to do it one hit would i end up with one very full drive and one very empety drive.
Also how long is this going to take to squirt into empeg over ethernet
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#187753 - 03/11/2003 07:14
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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carpal tunnel
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Now i have 26gig to upload Now if memory serves me correct emplode sticks each upload onto the disc with most space so if i was to do it one hit would i end up with one very full drive and one very empety drive. Each track. You would end up with two drives with the same amount of free space.
Also how long is this going to take to squirt into empeg over ethernet In ideal circumstances (Linux, cross-over cable) at 800K/s, 26,000,000Kbytes / 800Kbytes/sec / 3600sec/hr or 9 hours. Under non-optimal circumstances (Windows), say 500K/s so 15 hours.
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#187754 - 03/11/2003 07:27
Re: project rerip update
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Pooh-Bah
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okay looks like i shall use the worlds best computer acclerator
Cup of tea and bed and maybe the telly.
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#187755 - 03/11/2003 07:50
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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carpal tunnel
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Bear in mind that if you're doing a continuous upload, the empeg will be running its hard disks constantly. It'll get quite warm. It should be OK at room temperature, but make sure that it's not anywhere too warm.
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#187756 - 03/11/2003 07:54
Re: project rerip update
[Re: Roger]
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Pooh-Bah
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no danger i live in scotland but shall keep that in mind
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#187757 - 03/11/2003 07:58
Re: project rerip update
[Re: peter]
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In reply to:
In ideal circumstances (Linux, cross-over cable) at 800K/s, 26,000,000Kbytes / 800Kbytes/sec / 3600sec/hr or 9 hours. Under non-optimal circumstances (Windows), say 500K/s so 15 hours.
Hey Peter are you in marketing? Surely 26gb is 27,262,976kbytes 
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#187758 - 04/11/2003 05:51
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Pooh-Bah
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Oh look i found another big pile of Cds
Why did i buy so many CDs oh yeah because i own an empeg
They should really come with if not a health warning at least a sanity warning
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#187759 - 04/11/2003 07:35
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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i too am contemplating the whole re-rip to flac and then to mp3/wma. which programs did you use for it?
the only problem i have is that since getting an empeg i have become very disrespectfull to my cds and generally just let anyone borrow them and never get round to getting them back. consequently i don't have a clue where they are.
but i do believe that FLACing the whole lot is a very good idea. imagine how good it will be in future when a new compression format is released and you can just press a button, wait a very long time, and have all your music in that format.
btw, who do you fix big engines for in aberdeen? one of my friends (also an empeg owner) is living there at the moment - works for schlumberger - although he spends most of his life off shore as opposed to in aberdeen.
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#187760 - 04/11/2003 11:06
Re: project rerip update
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What is the advantage of re-ripping everything in FLAC and then converting to MP3?
Unless the advantage is huge, I really can't see myself bothering
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#187761 - 04/11/2003 11:12
Re: project rerip update
[Re: furtive]
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What is the advantage of re-ripping everything in FLAC and then converting to MP3?
Because when another compressed format comes out, you don't need to re-rip everything again. You just convert the FLAC files (which are lossless) to the new format.
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#187762 - 04/11/2003 11:14
Re: project rerip update
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carpal tunnel
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What is the advantage of re-ripping everything in FLAC and then converting to MP3? The advantage of ripping to to FLAC is that you will never have to re-rip your CDs again. FLAC is lossless so once you collection is in that format you can re-encode to anything.
Suppose your empeg has a 10GB drive in it today. You may encode your MP3s to 128k so you can fit your whole collection on there. Once you upgrade your drive to 80GB you would now have room for higher quality MP3s. Would you rather re-rip all your CDs or just run a batch re-encode on your FLAC files?
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#187763 - 04/11/2003 14:39
Re: project rerip update
[Re: Roger]
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Because when another compressed format comes out, you don't need to re-rip everything again. You just convert the FLAC files (which are lossless) to the new format. which encoding programs accept flac input btw? the way i see it, it seems to me that when a bleeding-edge compressed format comes out, we're going to have to convert back to wav format first.... just a bit more of a hassle. actually, probably in linux, you can pipe the native flac exporter to any commandline encoder.... but still its trouble.
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#187764 - 04/11/2003 14:50
Re: project rerip update
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carpal tunnel
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which encoding programs accept flac input btw? dBpowerAMP Music Converter
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#187765 - 05/11/2003 11:54
Re: project rerip update
[Re: robricc]
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Ok, thanks. But my MP3 collection currently takes up 30Gb. If I FLAC my CD's I'm guessing the FLAC files will take up much much more room.
I'm gonna need a bigger boat
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#187766 - 05/11/2003 12:09
Re: project rerip update
[Re: Roger]
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Because when another compressed format comes out, you don't need to re-rip everything again. You just convert the FLAC files (which are lossless) to the new format.
Or because you may want to consider using directly flac files on your empeg when you get a large enough hdd - so that you keep cd quality music in your car - and convert from those to mp3s for other players (except for karma  ) which do not support flac (yet?). That's what I am planning to do when I upgrade my empeg drives, for example...
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#187767 - 05/11/2003 12:19
Re: project rerip update
[Re: Taym]
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carpal tunnel
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Or because you may want to consider using directly flac files on your empeg when you get a large enough hdd This sounded like a good idea to me until I tried uploading 16GB of FLAC files to my Karma over USB 1.1. I don't know exactly how long it took because I fell asleep before it was finished.
If only the empeg's USB was 2.0 and the NIC was gigabit....
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#187768 - 05/11/2003 12:27
Re: project rerip update
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 13/04/2001
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Update
94.3 gig of flacs 3538 files
31.2 gig of Mp3s 4483 files since some nicked from mates etc over the years
i can say this as the RIAA helicopters can't get past the fireworks tonight
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#187769 - 05/11/2003 14:25
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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#187770 - 05/11/2003 15:41
Re: project rerip update
[Re: RobotCaleb]
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fireworks?
Remember remember the Fifth of November?
(Guy Fawkes Day)
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#187771 - 05/11/2003 17:25
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 13/04/2001
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gentleman start your transfer
and its going
31.1 gig in one shot with jemplode lets see if it craps out
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#187772 - 05/11/2003 18:37
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Pooh-Bah
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Then again maybe not
looks like empeg and salvaged 30 gig laptop drive not very happy with each other
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#187773 - 06/11/2003 03:38
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Registered: 31/10/2003
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Loc: Edinburger, Scotland
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i'm just thinking, with all this transferring of huge amounts of data going on, is there any way to connect the drive(s) directly to your computer (using a 2.5" -> 3.5" cable) and then copy the data straight across.
i guess the uploading software would require some changes but it would be so much quicker for inital music uploads.
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#187774 - 06/11/2003 03:54
Re: project rerip update
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Pooh-Bah
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I am of the thinking that this is not done very often so time spent buggering around would really be wasted when you can start a transfer and go to bed, walk the dog , watch the telly.
As to my methods i am going to post later what i have been doing. just need to get all the links together etc.
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#187775 - 06/11/2003 03:57
Re: project rerip update
[Re: robricc]
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Registered: 28/04/2002
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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dBpowerAMP Music Converter i tested this program out. the mp3 output options are really limited. cant do any custom switches.
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#187776 - 06/11/2003 04:14
Re: project rerip update
[Re: robricc]
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carpal tunnel
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Yes I agree that tranferring FLAC to the empeg is going to be a long long process. I think I'd be willing to do that anyway, since it's something you do once. After that first huge upload, adding one cd or two at rthe time shoudl not be that bad, after all...
BTW, has anybody succeeded in uploadiung FLAC files to the empeg with 3.0alpha? I haven't... ?!
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#187777 - 07/11/2003 07:02
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 13/04/2001
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Oh well 13 hrs 2 minutes for uploading 31.1 gig
just need to organise it now
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#187778 - 07/11/2003 08:24
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Ok I know that flac is lossless but I tried to make a flac file and a 30 meg song was only cut down too 23 megs am I doing somthing wrong? The same song as an mp3 192vbr is 5 megs, at that rate I will need a BIIIIG hard drive for all of my songs.
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#187779 - 07/11/2003 09:25
Re: project rerip update
[Re: mrfixit]
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carpal tunnel
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Yeah, that's right.
When you have hundreds of CDs, chopping a few megs off every track really adds up.
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#187780 - 07/11/2003 13:02
Re: project rerip update
[Re: mrfixit]
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Pooh-Bah
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3500 files and it gives me 95 gig
Me thinks time to rethink plan of putting them on DVD
Options are a raid thingy but this sounds complex therefore more likely to go tits up
Is there a nice simple way that i could build a second machine from bits hanging around and do a back up once in a while over ethernet.
Or should i get another hard disc and every once in a while plug that into computer and squirt across files and then remove and put it back in its box ?
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#187781 - 07/11/2003 15:25
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Or should i get another hard disc and every once in a while plug that into computer and squirt across files and then remove and put it back in its box ?
Yes.
Cheapest and fastest way to go.
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#187782 - 07/11/2003 16:06
Re: project rerip update
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You could always get one of these I got one and for the price it works pretty well.
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#187783 - 07/11/2003 16:20
Re: project rerip update
[Re: mrfixit]
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Does it work with an old-fashioned, laptop-style USB 1.1 port? I wonder how long 20-30GB would take to transfer....
edit: And yes, I can multiply, just too lazy on Friday afternoon.
edit2: Too lazy to spell-check, plus I now can see peter's post with transfer speeds.
Edited by DLF (07/11/2003 16:46)
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#187784 - 07/11/2003 16:23
Re: project rerip update
[Re: DLF]
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carpal tunnel
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There is also this 80GB external USB 2.0 / ethernet hard drive for $99 after rebate. Looks like a good deal. Apparently you can buy many and use them as one large volume if you wanted.
Yes, USB 2.0 devices should work on USB 1.1 hosts but obviously their speed suffers.
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#187785 - 07/11/2003 16:57
Re: project rerip update
[Re: robricc]
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Excellent! One ultra-large volume spanning them in the future, or for $100 smackers right now I could have four 20GB, ready-for-Karma -over-Ethernet partitions full of FLAC files!
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#187786 - 07/11/2003 18:43
Re: project rerip update
[Re: DLF]
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They also had the 160GB drive for $200 after rebate on that site..
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#187787 - 08/11/2003 13:41
Re: project rerip update
[Re: thinfourth2]
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Speaking of "raid thingy", I've been impressed by what I've seen/read of the Accusys ACS-7630 kit. It's basically a box with an inline raid-5 controller. You put 3 large IDE hard drives in it, connect it to an IDE controller that can recognize > 137GB drives, and it appears to your machine as a single large IDE drive with space equivalent to 2 of the 3 drives. You can hot-replace a bad drive and will auto-rebuild the replacement drive, all in hardware.
It seems that the box itself, which takes up two half-height 5.25 slots (er, or one full height...) in a desktop or server machine has another potential: put it in a firewire box and now you've got up to 600-640GB of PORTABLE RAID-5 FIREWIRE storage, all at a pre-drive cost of ~$600-650 if you shop well. I've seen the unit for $499, but today's search resulted in a low of $528ish.
Obviously, I've been lusting after this for a bit.
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#187788 - 08/11/2003 20:51
Re: project rerip update
[Re: brendanhoar]
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got a link ?
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#187789 - 09/11/2003 02:01
Re: project rerip update
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#187790 - 09/11/2003 18:50
Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: robricc]
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Gawd! I really dislike Bust Buy.
After reading about the Ximeta Network Drive. I stopped by the local Best Buy. They had the 160G drives in stock. I hustled one up to the checkout, presented my credit card, and the Idiots insisted that I must sign sign for the purchase on a digitizing pad. I don't do that! I explained that if they continued to insist there would be no sale. They continued, and there wasn't.
Guess I'm going to have to limit my future bestbuys to pocket change.
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#187791 - 09/11/2003 23:28
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: gbeer]
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I wouldn't buy any electronics at Best Buy under any condition. If I had to, I would only use a credit card. Just an extra level of protection.
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#187792 - 10/11/2003 02:23
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: gbeer]
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Can I ask why you refuse to sign on a digitizing pad ?
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#187793 - 10/11/2003 10:49
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: andy]
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Although I do it anyway under protest, it creeps me out too. I always get the feeling that digital images of my signature are being captured, saved, and transferred unencrypted in ways that cannot be good for my privacy and security. Paranoia?
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#187794 - 10/11/2003 16:20
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: DLF]
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digital images of my signature are being captured, saved, and transferred unencrypted
Your point being?
How many checks have you ever signed? How many forms have you ever put a signature on? How many times have you used a pen to sign for a credit card purchase? How many letters have you ever written? Give me any one of the thousands of those, and in 30 seconds with my scanner I will have your digitized signature.
Now, what will I do with it? Perhaps I'm just unimaginative, or not criminally enough inclined, but I can't think of anything I could do that would be to my advantage or your detriment.
Maybe I'm just naive, but I think you are being needlessly cautious, to the point where the actual inconveniences far outweigh any potential harm.
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#187796 - 10/11/2003 18:37
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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in 30 seconds with my scanner I will have your digitized signature. My only point being, we've eliminated the scanning step by incorporating it at PoP for no legitimate reason I am able to discern. (It's not like, e.g., they're actually matching my sig against a database to see if it's "really me.")
the actual inconveniences The inconvenience of the old way: I sign an original paper copy and rip up my carbon? Seemed to work just fine....
But point taken....
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#187797 - 10/11/2003 18:39
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: robricc]
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
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I love that guy! Boomhower, too.
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#187798 - 10/11/2003 19:20
Re: Bust Buy Rant: Was: project rerip update
[Re: DLF]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5546
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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we've eliminated the scanning step by incorporating it at PoP for no legitimate reason
No, actually, there is a very good reason, the same reason you sign the paper receipt at less "electronicized" places. That signature is stored with the record of your purchase, so that when you come back to them and say, "Hey -- I never bought that! You must have the wrong credit card number here." they can then say to you, "Sir, is this your signature?")
The inconvenience of the old way: I sign an original paper copy and rip up my carbon? Seemed to work just fine....
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant inconveniences like not having that 160 GB drive you went to all the trouble of shopping for and trying to purchase, but now don't have because you didn't want to digitize your signature.
tanstaafl.
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