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#211209 - 26/03/2004 11:12 Don't Know Who To Vote For?
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Then try this!

Not that I think too many people here are undecided . . .
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#211210 - 26/03/2004 12:16 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
ithoughti
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Registered: 17/07/2001
Posts: 721
Loc: Boston, MA USA
1 Kerry Score: 78%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes


2 Kucinich Score: 78%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military No


3 Sharpton Score: 76%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office No
Served in the Military No


4 Bush Score: 8%

Party Republican
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes

Compare with other candidates
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#211211 - 26/03/2004 12:38 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: ithoughti]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Same order, but the numbers slightly closer to moderate (68%, 68%, 64%, 25%.) Not that Kucinich or Sharpton matter...
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#211212 - 26/03/2004 12:48 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
Looks like in the US I'd be a hardliner: democrats all in the low 80s, Bush 4.

Peter

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#211213 - 26/03/2004 12:49 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
Redrum
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Registered: 17/01/2003
Posts: 998
87% for Bush, but I sure don't like the guy.

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#211214 - 26/03/2004 12:49 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: tonyc]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
I forget mine exactly, but Bush was in the 50s and Kerry in the 40s, which basically means none of these people represent me very well, but then I knew that already.
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#211215 - 26/03/2004 12:50 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
I got 16% for Bush...certainly much higher than I had thought I would. Oh well, I am not a rabid anti-gun type and am pro-Nafta, so I guess it makes some sense. Still hate his guts of course.

You know, looking at the list of issues between Kerry And Bush, I wonder why some people say that there is no difference between the political parties. Every time I hear someone say something like that it strikes me as a ridiculously stupid thing to say, and seeing all the issues lined up like this drives that point home.

Of course, there are some issues that both sides agree on that aren't listed like, say, opposition to real campaign finance reform. *sigh*
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#211216 - 26/03/2004 13:20 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: ninti]
DLF
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
I wonder why some people say that there is no difference between the political parties. Every time I hear someone say something like that it strikes me as a ridiculously stupid thing to say, and seeing all the issues lined up like this drives that point home.
OK, since I'm one of those stupid people, I'll don my fire-walking boots.

You alluded to why there's no difference in the parties by referencing campaign finance reform, as did Dick Clarke the other day when he said "Morals have nothing to do with it; it's POLITICS." A lifetime of public service used to be thought of as a good thing; now voters just assume you're a pro poll-watcher, career suck-up whose opinions, if not actual votes, are for sale to special interests. Sure, environmentalism is one of my (and the Dem's) special interests and defense contractors and drug companies are the GOP's. That doesn't mean there's any moral difference in which set of whales you're whored to.

I'm reminded of the story about George Bernard Shaw at the party, wherein (I'm grossly paraphrasing) he asks the lady (who hates him) if she'd have sex with him for a $10 and she says of course not, and then asks if she'd do it for a million bucks and she says, well maybe so, and finally asks if she'd do it for $100, and she says "What kind of person do you think I am?" and he replies, "We've already establshed that; we're just hagling over price."
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#211217 - 26/03/2004 14:48 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Kucinich: 89%
Sharpton: 84%
Kerry: 78%
Bush: 2%

Of course, that doesn't take into account that Sharpton is a race-baiter.

Oh, and as hard nosed as I am about things, I think it's important to note that I voted really how I feel about those issues, not trying to force the score in one direction. I left many no-opinions and quite a few somewhats.
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#211218 - 26/03/2004 18:36 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
Cybjorg
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Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
Bush: 71%
Kerry: 40%
Sharpton: 35%
Kucinich: 26%

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#211219 - 26/03/2004 18:52 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
Liufeng
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Registered: 14/09/1999
Posts: 149
Loc: Alaska
1. Bush Score: 79%
Party Republican
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes

2 Kerry Score: 39%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes

3 Sharpton Score: 30%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office No
Served in the Military No

4. Kucinich Score: 21%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military No



Hmm.. looks like Bush is the closest match for my beliefs.
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#211220 - 26/03/2004 20:07 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
Jerz
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Registered: 13/07/2002
Posts: 634
Loc: Jesusland
1 Bush Score: 71%

Party Republican
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes

Compare with other candidates




2 Kerry Score: 45%

Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes

Compare with other candidates




3 Kucinich Score: 29%

Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military No

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4 Sharpton Score: 21%
Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office No
Served in the Military No

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#211221 - 26/03/2004 22:34 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: Jerz]
Heather
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 510
Loc: NY
1 Sharpton Score: 74%

Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office No
Served in the Military No


2 Kucinich Score: 72%

Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military No


3 Kerry Score: 70%

Party Democrat
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes


4 Bush Score: 14%

Party Republican
Has Held Elected Office Yes
Served in the Military Yes


Someone at AOL Time Warner did this deliberately to piss me off.

I [censored] can't stand Al Sharpton.
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#211222 - 27/03/2004 00:04 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: peter]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
Looks like in the US I'd be a hardliner: democrats all in the low 80s, Bush 4.

4 years over here must have moderated me;

Kerry 78%
Kucinich 76%
Sharpton 72%
Bush 14%
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#211223 - 27/03/2004 07:11 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: Heather]
Jerz
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Registered: 13/07/2002
Posts: 634
Loc: Jesusland
1 Sharpton Score: 74%


I actually voted for Al in the democratic primaries



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#211224 - 27/03/2004 10:34 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: Jerz]
brendanhoar
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Registered: 09/06/2003
Posts: 297
> ...voted for Sharpton...

Is there a term for voting in the other parties primaries? Spoiler?

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#211225 - 27/03/2004 13:01 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
webroach
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Registered: 23/07/2003
Posts: 869
Loc: Colorado
This was a no brainer:

Kerry 82%
Kucinich 80%
Sharpton 76%
Bush 13%
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#211226 - 27/03/2004 15:58 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: webroach]
trs24
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Registered: 20/03/2002
Posts: 729
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
No surprises for me.

1  Kerry: 70%
2  Kucinich: 69%
3  Bush: 18%

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#211227 - 28/03/2004 00:20 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: trs24]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Bush: 71%
Kerry: 41%


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#211228 - 29/03/2004 03:59 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: Redrum]
julf
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Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
87% for Bush, but I sure don't like the guy.

Yep, seems a pretty common remark. Know a lot of people who would support Bush if it wasn't for the overriding concern that he is just disasterous for both the US and the rest of the world. Weird situation.

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#211229 - 29/03/2004 08:31 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: julf]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
1 Bush Score: 78%
2 Kerry Score: 39%
3 Sharpton Score: 28%
4 Kucinich Score: 18%
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#211230 - 29/03/2004 12:41 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: peter]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
Ugh, Peter, you seem to be even more extreme than myself :

Kucinich 83%
Sharpton 75%
Kerry 73%
Bush 6%
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#211231 - 29/03/2004 13:09 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Here's another one that includes more candidates:

http://www.selectsmart.com/PRESIDENT

For the record:
  1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
  2. Green Party Candidate (89%)
  3. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (79%)
  4. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (79%)
  5. Socialist Candidate (78%)
  6. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (77%)
  7. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (72%)
  8. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (70%)
  9. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (66%)
  10. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (63%)
  11. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (58%)
  12. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (48%)
  13. Libertarian Candidate (39%)
  14. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (35%)
  15. Constitution Party Candidate (17%)
  16. Bush, President George W. - Republican (13%)
  17. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (11%)
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#211232 - 29/03/2004 13:48 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: wfaulk]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
1. Your ideal theoretical candidate.   (100%) 
2. Libertarian Candidate   (65%)  
3. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (65%)  
4. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (59%)  
5. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (56%)  
6. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (56%)  
7. Green Party Candidate   (55%)  
8. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (53%)  
9. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (52%) 
10. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (49%)  
11. Socialist Candidate   (48%)  
12. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (46%) 
13. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (33%)  
14. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (28%)  
15. Bush, President George W. - Republican   (27%)
16. Constitution Party Candidate   (25%)  
17. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (13%)  

Not too suprised to see the low results, since my views seem to be wildly mixed. I believe in more of enforcing existing laws instead of making more worthless laws in a number of cases, like gun control, drugs, and such.

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#211233 - 29/03/2004 14:01 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: drakino]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
Are brits allowed to see which one they would least object to have running the world?

Kerry 74%
Kucinich 64%
Bush 21%
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#211234 - 29/03/2004 14:03 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JeffS]
bbowman
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Registered: 12/05/2002
Posts: 205
Loc: Virginia, USA
1 Kucinich Score: 85%
2 Kerry Score: 73%
3 Sharpton Score: 72%
4 Bush Score: 10%

Oh, what to do??!?! I didn't realize that Kucinich was so close to me. Maybe he'll run again.
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#211235 - 29/03/2004 15:12 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: wfaulk]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
Wow, they dug up someone I'd like less than GWB!

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
2. Green Party Candidate (95%)
3. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (88%)
4. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (84%)
5. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (83%)
6. Socialist Candidate (83%)
7. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (80%)
8. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (78%)
9. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (76%)
10. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (74%)
11. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (63%)
12. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (49%)
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (45%)
14. Libertarian Candidate (32%)
15. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (12%)
16. Bush, President George W. - Republican (11%)
17. Constitution Party Candidate (4%)

This one at least let me choose gun laws and a welfare state like Britain's -- issues on which even Britain's right-wing party is rather to the left of the leftmost option available in the first questionnaire.

Peter

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#211236 - 29/03/2004 16:28 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: wfaulk]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
Weirdly enough...turns out that Kerry is my second choice.

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
2. Bush, President George W. - Republican (78%)
3. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (53%)
4. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (48%)
5. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (48%)
6. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (45%)
7. Libertarian Candidate (42%)
8. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (40%)
9. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (36%)
10. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (35%)
11. Constitution Party Candidate (25%)
12. Socialist Candidate (22%)
13. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (21%)
14. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (21%)
15. Green Party Candidate (19%)
16. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (16%)
17. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (11%)
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#211237 - 29/03/2004 17:23 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: wfaulk]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Bush did much better on this one . . .

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
2. Bush, President George W. - Republican (73%)
3. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (52%)
4. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (50%)
5. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (47%)
6. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (46%)
7. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (46%)
8. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (35%)
9. Libertarian Candidate (33%)
10. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (25%)
11. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (23%)
12. Constitution Party Candidate (22%)
13. Green Party Candidate (19%)
14. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (19%) 15. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (17%)
16. Socialist Candidate (15%)
17. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (4%)


Edited by FerretBoy (29/03/2004 17:27)
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#211238 - 29/03/2004 17:25 Re: Don't Know Who To Vote For? [Re: JBjorgen]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Weirdly enough...turns out that Kerry is my second choice.
Mine too, on both tests.
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