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#234911 - 28/09/2004 08:42 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: rob]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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No release notes yet - Peter will put some online next week.

Looking at the diff, there aren't in fact any user-visible changes from alpha 8 (just some cleanups, and work on unrelated projects). Except that I broke playlist support. I'll look into how my changes did that, hopefully this week, and try and lash together an alpha 10.

Peter

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#234912 - 28/09/2004 08:59 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: peter]
Shonky
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Thanks for the report Peter. If nothing has really changed couldn't you just release v3a8 to the general public?

Is there a reason I'm not aware of for not releasing v3a8?
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#234913 - 28/09/2004 15:13 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Shonky]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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Is there a reason I'm not aware of for not releasing v3a8?


Yeah, just to make people who went to Amersfoort feel more superior
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#234914 - 29/09/2004 06:54 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Shonky]
rob
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For one thing, Alpha 8 somehow managed to not get tagged (tsk).

Rob

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#234915 - 29/09/2004 07:04 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: rob]
Shonky
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
As in CVS tagged? If so, surely you know the date/time it was built/checked out. I think you can tag things in the past in CVS can't you? Just check out a specific date/time and then tag it? Or can you only put a tag on what's currently HEAD?

I have no problem you releasing an alpha10. I just thought it might be easier to go with alpha8 for now. Saves someone (and that's someone else now right?) having to go through the release process again.
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#234916 - 29/09/2004 07:13 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Shonky]
Roger
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As in CVS tagged? If so, surely you know the date/time it was built/checked out. I think you can tag things in the past in CVS can't you? Just check out a specific date/time and then tag it?


1. Yes, as in CVS tagged.
2. Whether Peter and John remember when they built it is another question.
3. Yes, you can tag things in the past.
4. CVS isn't atomic. Just because you know when you built something doesn't necessarily mean that checking out the same date and time will get you exactly the same source. Consider this:

I start a checkout at 09:00:00. At 09:00:05, it's reached files beginning with D. At 09:00:10, someone checks in a file beginning with A. At 09:00:25, my checkout finishes with those files beginning with Z.

Which time do I use to refer to that checked out copy? In this case, it's easy: 09:00:00.

However, what if, at 09:00:15, someone else checks in a file beginning with Y? Now 09:00:00 isn't the correct time for the checkout, because I managed to pick up file Y, but 09:00:25 wouldn't be correct, either, because it would include file A, which I didn't get.
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#234917 - 29/09/2004 07:20 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Roger]
Shonky
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
OK, I'm used to small CVS installations where that sort of situation would be very rare. I doubt there are that many checking things in and out of CVS are there?

Nevermind - just thought it would be easier on the next person who has to release alpha10.
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#234918 - 29/09/2004 08:58 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Roger]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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Whether Peter and John remember when they built it is another question.

We have the datestamps on the upgrade files -- and fortunately they're all about 6.30pm, so it's unlikely any other check-ins were going on. What I'll probably aim to do, under-new-management permitting, is check out the repository at that date, build it, check it's reasonably OK, tag it, and release an alpha 8a. Hopefully I'll get around to that later this week, but Rio Cambridge has a lot on at the moment.

Peter

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#234919 - 29/09/2004 13:52 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Roger]
image
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Registered: 28/04/2002
Posts: 770
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
can't you just set cvs to verify after checking out?

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#234920 - 29/09/2004 14:04 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: image]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
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Loc: Providence, RI
Hahaha verify what?

CVS has some serious liabilities. You're probing around one of them in this thread now.

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#234921 - 29/09/2004 14:26 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Daria]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
I will say, though, that CVS has never failed or corrupted data on us. And as much as non-atomic commits is lame, I can't say I've ever actually run into a case where it's caused a problem in more than 6 years of using it.

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#234922 - 29/09/2004 15:06 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: mschrag]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
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Loc: Providence, RI
CVS screwed me, never hard enough that I dropped it. When Subversion's fsfs backend works, I will probably switch.

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#234923 - 29/09/2004 16:17 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: peter]
schofiel
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Well, if you guys are prepared to do this, it's worth a pint or two from us on the house for your efforts.

What's the local watering hole at the new site?
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#234924 - 30/09/2004 00:44 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: schofiel]
Daria
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Well, if you guys are prepared to do this, it's worth a pint or two from us on the house for your efforts.

What's the local watering hole at the new site?


I agree. And if they take PayPal, even better

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#234925 - 30/09/2004 02:09 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: peter]
Derek
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Registered: 16/08/1999
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Loc: NRW, Germany
wouldn't it be easier for someone who has an Amersfoort CD to just make those files available ... ?
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#234926 - 30/09/2004 03:57 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Derek]
Daria
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The people who have it aren't going to do it unless they get the ok from the people they got it from.

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#234927 - 30/09/2004 04:10 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Roger]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
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CVS does directory locking, though, so if you're checking out files, no-one else can check files in. I discovered this by leaving a bunch of files partially checked in one day (I left it sitting at the "enter a comment" part), and got back to a bunch of emails wondering why no-one could do anything with CVS. As a result, this may, or may not be a problem, depending on how you have your source code structured.

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#234928 - 30/09/2004 07:28 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Derek]
peter
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wouldn't it be easier for someone who has an Amersfoort CD to just make those files available ... ?

Not without that tag -- otherwise I'd've released alpha8 by now.

Peter

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#234929 - 21/10/2004 14:05 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: peter]
Bagpuss
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Registered: 24/05/2000
Posts: 108
Loc: UK
Just wondering if there has been any movement on making alpha8 available to the general Empeg community.

I realise the the development guys have probably got loads of better things to do, but it would be really nice for those of us not at Amersfoort to be able to share in the goodness.

Thanks,

Bagpuss.

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#234930 - 21/10/2004 14:07 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Bagpuss]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
Yes. It's available. and has been for a few days.

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#234931 - 21/10/2004 14:18 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Daria]
Glen_L
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Loc: Elk Grove, CA
...and there was much rejoicing
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#234932 - 21/10/2004 17:28 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Daria]
Bagpuss
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Registered: 24/05/2000
Posts: 108
Loc: UK
That's fantastic news!

Don't know how I managed to miss it, but there you go.......

Thanks again to all the development team who continue to provide their support for what is, after all, a dead product.

Bagpuss.

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#234933 - 22/10/2004 10:11 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: rob]
jane
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Registered: 10/10/2000
Posts: 350
Loc: Copenhagen SW, Denmark
Cool!
The Alpha8-REceiver version looks interresting...
Could I use an empeg player with an old 3.5" harddisk as a receiver at home... How large would this harddisk have to be?

Marius (Escort Cab / empeg 2 + Sierra Estate / RioCar)

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#234934 - 22/10/2004 11:00 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: jane]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Could I use an empeg player with an old 3.5" harddisk as a receiver at home...

You'd need to organise a converter from 44-pin IDE to 40-pin, plus get 5V and 12V supply from somewhere.

Quote:
How large would this harddisk have to be?

About 100Mb should do. Perhaps you could lash something up with a CF card?

Peter

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#234935 - 24/10/2004 19:31 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: peter]
jane
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Registered: 10/10/2000
Posts: 350
Loc: Copenhagen SW, Denmark
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You'd need to organise a converter from 44-pin IDE to 40-pin, plus get 5V and 12V supply from somewhere.


That should be doable... the player will probably be powered from regulated 12V anyway... converter "the other way" is easy to get hold of... May be possible to use... (To late in the evening for me to determine how difficlt it would be.)

Marius (Escort Cab / MkII Sierra Estate /MkIIa)

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#234936 - 17/11/2004 21:41 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: jane]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
I'm using Alpha7, since I don't like the way Alpha 8 sounds when I adjust the EQ.

I started to have some problems with playlists. When loading Emplode or Jemplode, sometimes I get errors saying some fids have 0 refs, and will be put in the root dir. Surprisingly, at that precise time they actually don't appear any more in their original playlists, so emplode and jemplode seem to be right. I am not 100% sure, but - and here's my question n. 1 - would it be possible that the problem occurs exactly when emplode or jemplode connect to the player? I am saying this because I don't notice any song missing during normal usage, but I may very well have not happened to enter a playlist and find it empty during normal usage.

After the prolem occurs, I have to move the fids back to their place and resync. Now, after few times this has happened (rarely, I have to say), I realized that, even after the sync, some playlist or song is still "missing". The tune is there, since I can find it with a search, but it does not appear in any playlist. Strange thing is, it does not even appear among the 0 refs tunes in the "all tracks" view. So, here's my second question:

Is it possible that the ref count is corrupted? If so, how can I fix it?

Thank you in advance!
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#234937 - 17/11/2004 21:54 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Taym]
Taym
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Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Question N. 3. I remember seeing it asked, but could not find in which post.
Once I know a track has ref=1, is there a way to know in which playlist it is located?
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#234938 - 17/11/2004 21:56 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Taym]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31601
Loc: Seattle, WA
There's a way to change the color in Jemplode, I think it's on the rightclick menu, it colors all trees that contain that track.
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#234939 - 17/11/2004 23:29 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Taym]
Mataglap
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Registered: 11/06/2003
Posts: 384
Hey! That's the same problem I've been having. There's a few posts scattered arount from me about that. I really havent't gotten anywhere with it, and am thinking that maybe what I need to do is reload everything just using jemplode.

One thing I've noticed is that some fids have a much higer refcount than they should. On my system it's just artist/album/song, so everything should only have one reference, but there are songs that have refcount=4, and they're ones that have disappeared after connecting.

--Nathan

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#234940 - 20/11/2004 07:47 Re: v3.00 Alpha 9 online [Re: Mataglap]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
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Loc: Roma, Italy
Tony, thanks, that's a great idea.
I haven't had a chance to test it, yet, but that would tell us at least it there's actually a mistake in the ref count.

Metaglap, if there's such mistake, I wonder if there's a way to find out which songs have a refcount 1 and are not in any playlist, at east. Besides changing color to all of them, one by one...
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