#247064 - 21/01/2005 12:42
External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
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Hi, I'm ripping my entire music collection to FLAC and really need a new HDD. I've ripped about 1/2 of my collection and it already fills about 2/3 of a 120 GB HD. I'm thinking about getting one of these: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10461But I don't know anything about transfer speeds or other such technical details. In fact my math is so poor I somehow thought that my collection would fit on to the 120 GB drive. I could go all out and get this: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10462but that could be overkill....plus the price! In any case I don't have Firewire 800 on my computer only USB 2.0 and Firewire 400. Thanks for any advice! Peter Miami, FL USA
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#247065 - 21/01/2005 12:58
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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With external USB 2.0 drives I get 18 MB a second to 26 MB a second depending on the computer I have it connected to. You could just get This IDE drive or This SATA Drive
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#247066 - 21/01/2005 13:07
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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All you're going to have on the drive are FLAC files, right? Well then aside from when you first transfer all the files over to it, I doubt you'll ever need the maximum bandwidth available to you. I'd imagine USB2 would be fine if you need the firewire port for something else.
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#247067 - 21/01/2005 13:16
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dignan]
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All you're going to have on the drive are FLAC files, right? Well then aside from when you first transfer all the files over to it, I doubt you'll ever need the maximum bandwidth available to you. I'd imagine USB2 would be fine if you need the firewire port for something else.
Yes, it would be for FLAC only. I'm planning on keeping the 120GB internal drive and use it for PVR video storage. I also like the idea of the external as it would allow me to upgade my computer at a later date with out worring about pulling out the drive that has all my music on it.
Peter
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#247068 - 21/01/2005 13:46
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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Usually the main reasons I would get an external drive is semi-portability and (I know this is the case with Maxtors) one-touch backup. That's probably what I'd used an external drive for - backup. Otherwise, I love meddling around with hardware in my case. I've got three drives in there right now, and in the future plan on having a lot more/bigger drives. It's not too hard to keep drives organizationally seperate.
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#247069 - 21/01/2005 13:48
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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Generally, it's cheaper to get a bare hard drive and an external case for $30 or so and put them together yourself (a trivial operation).
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#247070 - 21/01/2005 13:55
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dylan]
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Generally, it's cheaper to get a bare hard drive and an external case for $30 or so and put them together yourself (a trivial operation).
Any pointers on where one could get a 500GB drive to put into a case? Is the set-up for a drive in this configuration as simple as it for a "regular" external drive? Thanks!
Peter
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#247071 - 21/01/2005 14:26
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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Registered: 14/01/2005
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There is no current 500GB drive available. The highest GB currently is 400 and that was released not too long ago. But I figure with the capacity wars that seem to be going on you might only have to wait a few months before one is released.
But its going to be spendy when one finally does come out!
A half terrabyte HD. Could you imagine a drive failure! 
EDIT: Well, I was wrong. Eh, least its not actually out yet.
Edited by Dviant (21/01/2005 14:31)
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#247073 - 21/01/2005 15:18
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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Interesting.... I don't know where they are getting 500 GB drives. Could it be there are two in that case? Maybe they have a deal where they get them before general release. I don't know, but if it has to be 500 GB right now then I guess you will have to get that external.
To answer your other question, yes, the configuration is just as easy with a bare drive and external case that you put together yourself. (Well, maybe you'll have to format the drive.)
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#247074 - 21/01/2005 15:18
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dignan]
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A half terrabyte HD. Could you imagine a drive failure! 
That's why you buy a bunch of half-terrabytes and get a RAID 5 going 
Man... could you imagine the cash flow you would have to drop on that?
I can see it now, a quality PCI-E RAID controller and 3+ 500GB drives.  Would make for a wonderful vid editing rig.
Huh? Whats that? Oh, Its just my wallet screaming. Again.
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#247075 - 21/01/2005 15:29
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dylan]
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I back off what I said in this instance. That LaCie goes for around $400 which is a good deal. That's not too much of a premium over a 400 GB drive and probably no more expensive then a bare 500 when they come out.
[Edit] OK, I think I was completely wrong. The premium for external drives has come down. Last time I looked it was like a $100 premium for external when you could buy the enclosure yourself for $30.
Edited by Dylan (21/01/2005 15:32)
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#247076 - 21/01/2005 15:33
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dylan]
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Registered: 20/05/2001
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Interesting.... I don't know where they are getting 500 GB drives. Could it be there are two in that case?
You're correct. They put in two (or more) drives, and let them run in a RAID setup.
The 1TB drive that LaCie sells uses 4 drives. Of course, using 4 drives in Raid0 also multiplies the risk of lossing all your data when something goes wrong by 4.
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#247077 - 21/01/2005 15:39
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dviant]
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I can see it now, a quality PCI-E RAID controller and 3+ 500GB drives.
Drooool... Honestly, I'm strongly considering that for the next time I upgrade. The high-impact stuff I do is primarily video editing and not games. I figure I can save some cash since I don't need a super-duper video card. All I need is a new mobo and CPU and then I'll be ready to go nuts on storage space.
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#247078 - 21/01/2005 16:37
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: petteri]
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Registered: 05/01/2001
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I have a USB 2.0 / Firewire 3.5" enclosure that I was about to sell on eBay. If you're interested, I can take some pics of it?
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#247079 - 21/01/2005 16:42
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dviant]
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Registered: 15/02/2002
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With this drive, having a movie server (DVD rips) in addition to a MP3 server is starting to reach the realm of feasibility. Say a movie can be ripped and compressed to about 5GB each, and use 10GB as a conservative average for uncompressed rips. With 4 or 5 of those 500GB drives, you've got 250 uncompressed or 500 compressed movies available at the press of a key.
Still nothing compared to having my ridiculously large CD collection online (60,000 tracks), but it will be cool. I don't think the movie server would be "lifestyle changing" in the way that MP3 has been for me (or TiVo is for others), but it would still be cool.
J
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#247080 - 21/01/2005 17:07
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dignan]
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The high-impact stuff I do is primarily video editing and not games... All I need is a new mobo and CPU and then I'll be ready to go nuts on storage space.
You could definitely use the theoretical bandwith (2GB/s) of a SATA PCI-E Controller mated with SATA II drives.
Looks like I found one, look like for that kinda performance you would be paying throught he nose. Or selling off extra organs you don't need. Eh, maybe just your firstborn though.
A storage system like that is actually major overkill for me, as I'm primarily a gamer who toys with 3d on occasion, but not video. Still, would be nice.
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#247081 - 21/01/2005 17:19
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: TigerJimmy]
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With 4 or 5 of those 500GB drives, you've got 250 uncompressed or 500 compressed movies available at the press of a key.
Heh, brings new meaning to a Media Center PC! Still, the price of entry is quite high, at first at least. Ultimately I have a similar idea, creating a central storage server for media files. That is a few years down the road though.
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Still nothing compared to having my ridiculously large CD collection online (60,000 tracks)
I'm just about afraid to ask just how much space is that altogether? Have any idea?
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#247082 - 21/01/2005 17:46
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: Dviant]
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Yeah, it's 430GB. I'm using 2x250GB drives in a RAID1, I need to switch that to a RAID5.
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#247083 - 21/01/2005 17:57
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[Re: TigerJimmy]
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Yeah, it's 430GB. I'm using 2x250GB drives in a RAID1, I need to switch that to a RAID5.
Yeah, you were right. Rediculously large. Quite impressive though.
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#247084 - 21/01/2005 18:53
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: TigerJimmy]
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Except an unREcompressed movie (without menus) is only about 4GB maximum and a REcompressed one can be brought down to 1GB easily and still maintain very good quality.
Bruno
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#247085 - 21/01/2005 19:52
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[Re: hybrid8]
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Movie DVDs are almost always dual-layer, so the theoretical maximum for a one-DVD movie is 9GB. You can find these from time to time as "Superbit" releases, where they max out the bitrate and don't include any extras.
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#247086 - 21/01/2005 20:26
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The max for a one disc DVD is 18GB because you can get dual layer, double sided as well. I don't think I've ever actually seen one being used tho. The whole disc flipping thing was a PITA back in the early days of DVD.
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#247087 - 21/01/2005 21:09
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
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The only flippable disks I've ever seen were those with on one side the 4/3 version of the movie, and on the other side the 16/9 version.
It's been a while since I've seen one of those too though.
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#247088 - 21/01/2005 21:49
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
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Well, I've certainly never seen an automated flipper. I remember back in the LD days that there were certain players that could read both sides of a LD. Complicated system of mirrors, IIRC. Never saw one, though.
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#247089 - 21/01/2005 22:33
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I remember back in the LD days that there were certain players that could read both sides of a LD. Complicated system of mirrors, IIRC. Never saw one, though.
I took a film class in highschool, and the instructor used one of these. It seemed like quite a feat to turn the laserdisc "over" while still in the machine. I always wondered if they had two read heads, or if it was something else. It definitly wasn't seamless though, as the changeover took five or ten secconds.
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#247090 - 21/01/2005 22:35
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
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I bought a Pioneer player that could play both sides. The LD would spin down and then reverse spinning. My unit has a problem playing the back side. Once it played the back side there was a gear problem and it had a hard time flipping back to the front side. It's probably a mechanical nightmare inside.
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#247091 - 22/01/2005 01:09
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: wfaulk]
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The majority of dual-layer discs include a lot of menu content and extras that invariably take up a large portion of the disc's capacity. A number of people I know rip all their discs and have kept me updated with these stats. In any case, REencoding to 2GB produces very fine quality for most titles as MPEG2 - as MPEG4 even better. I haven't bought any Superbit discs and I'm pretty glad - HD content around the corner. Bruno
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#247092 - 22/01/2005 03:40
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: hybrid8]
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How do they do the ripping and encoding? What is the format of the movie on the DVD? Which is the best way to go, MPEG2 or 4? At 2GB per movie, that is pretty interesting to me...
Thanks in advance,
Jim
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#247093 - 22/01/2005 04:39
Re: External HDD for large music collection (FLAC)
[Re: TigerJimmy]
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The best ripper I've used so far is DVDShrink. It allows ripping out menus as well as replacing menus with still images to conserve space as well as on-the-fly transcoding. I rip and reburn all my movies as I HATE having to go through that menu crap. I just want to watch a movie. To burn, I use DVD Decrypter. FWIW, the vast majority of movies will easily fit on a 4.7 disc without transcoding at all.
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