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#251818 - 16/03/2005 14:42 Got one....
schofiel
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Yo!


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#251819 - 16/03/2005 15:15 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
thinfourth2
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Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
Nice phone
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#251820 - 16/03/2005 15:18 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Slick.
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#251821 - 16/03/2005 15:42 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
It's a lot bigger than I thought it would be.
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#251822 - 16/03/2005 17:27 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Yea Man! Those mini CD-R's are really cool, but so hard to get hold of

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#251823 - 16/03/2005 17:52 Re: Got one.... [Re: tfabris]
tman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Uh? How big did you think it'd be???

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#251824 - 17/03/2005 05:38 Re: Got one.... [Re: tman]
canuckInOR
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Uh? How big did you think it'd be???

I knew a girl in university whose honest answer to that question was "I don't know... a foot???". Of course, that conversation had a slightly different subject matter...

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#251825 - 17/03/2005 12:34 Re: Got one.... [Re: canuckInOR]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528

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#251826 - 17/03/2005 13:02 Re: Got one.... [Re: canuckInOR]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Was she also surprised that it was bigger than she expected?
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#251827 - 17/03/2005 15:03 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
So, did you install it yet ? ? ?
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#251828 - 17/03/2005 15:44 Re: Got one.... [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
What are we talking about now?


Edited by Philip O'Hare (17/03/2005 16:39)

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#251829 - 17/03/2005 16:33 Re: Got one.... [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
Patrick's new memory expansion boards.
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#251830 - 17/03/2005 16:38 Re: Got one.... [Re: tfabris]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
Sorry I should have put a smiley after my post - my bad attempt at humour was too subtle Fixing now.


Edited by Philip O'Hare (17/03/2005 16:39)

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#251831 - 17/03/2005 18:04 Re: Got one.... [Re: Cris]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
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Yea Man! Those mini CD-R's are really cool, but so hard to get hold of


Maplins are selling those business card CD-R's at the moment, they're quite cool.
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#251832 - 17/03/2005 21:42 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
I'm guessing it doesn't need to be said, but just in case: That board looks great! I can't wait to preorder one!!
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#251833 - 18/03/2005 01:29 Re: Got one.... [Re: wfaulk]
canuckInOR
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
No... I don't think she was, but that really was of no concern to me.

That reminds me of a mountain bike ride I was on once with a friend, and her ex-boyfriend. There's a hobby farm in the middle of Toronto that has some cattle, and as we rode past, ex-boyfriend looked over at one of the animals, which happened to have its back-end facing us. Turned out to be a bull. I hear this low "woah" type sound, so I ask him what's up. He says "I wish I had a pair like that." I just looked at him, shook my head, and said "no you don't -- they'd just get in the way." He looked so crestfallen after he gave it a bit more thought.

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#251834 - 19/03/2005 16:40 Re: Got one.... [Re: andym]
drakino
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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Maplins are selling those business card CD-R's at the moment, they're quite cool.


Evil CDs. Every time I have put one in a tray load drive, I fear for my life from all the noise it makes. And of course there is no way to use those in a slot load drive.

I still need to order the adaptor that lets the round tiny ones work in a slot load, since I have several CD-RWs and also want to get some mini DVD-RWs for the Powerbook. The G4 Cube was nice, as it could accept mini discs in the slot load drive with no adaptor.


And regarding the memory board, very nice. I still find the initial inception of it amazing at the meet last year. Now to just pool up some extra spending cash for one, since the dollar keeps sliding down in value. Grr.

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#251835 - 30/03/2005 20:54 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Any comments on performance?
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#251836 - 30/03/2005 23:01 Re: Got one.... [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mrfixit
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Registered: 14/06/2002
Posts: 337
Ok maybe I am just slow.... but where is the order page for the memory boards?
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#251837 - 30/03/2005 23:09 Re: Got one.... [Re: mrfixit]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
There isn't one. Look over here...
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#251838 - 30/03/2005 23:16 Re: Got one.... [Re: pgrzelak]
mrfixit
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Registered: 14/06/2002
Posts: 337
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There isn't one. Look over here...

Ok... now I feel dumb I guess I missed that part.
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#251839 - 07/04/2005 14:43 Re: Got one.... [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
schofiel
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Not yet: in spite of getting the first one, I may be the last to fit it. There is an issue with the boot loader on the Mk2 which has to be sorted out first. With Hugo about to get married and disappear for a while, this ain't gonna be any time soon....
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#251840 - 07/04/2005 15:00 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
Glen_L
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Registered: 24/02/2003
Posts: 111
Loc: Elk Grove, CA
Would you mind going into the Mk2 boot bootloader issue a bit? Does this mean that the Mk2 won't be able to use the additional memory?
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#251841 - 07/04/2005 15:07 Re: Got one.... [Re: Glen_L]
schofiel
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Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
When you install the expansion board, the Mk2 original memory needs to be removed from the main board to stop capacitive loading of the memory bus.

The boot loader for the 2 (this is according to my memory of what Hugo said in a pub when we were all a bit well cut) expects a different size memory block than that of the expansion board (the 2A has a modified bootloader which expects the correct size). It will then fail to boot as it has initialised the memory map incorrectly.

The correction is:

- add a jumper to the mainboard to remove write protect from the protected bootloader address range
- blow a new bootloader with the correct memory map
- remove the jumper

The problem with this is that Hugo will have to write a new bootloader. He's getting married this w/e. Forget it for now...
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#251842 - 07/04/2005 15:24 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
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He's getting married this w/e.

Gaaaah!

Hugo, congratulations, man!!!
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#251843 - 07/04/2005 16:59 Re: Got one.... [Re: schofiel]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
It should just be the identical bootloader as used on the Mk2a..

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#251844 - 12/04/2005 00:09 Me Too! [Re: schofiel]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Patrick was kind enough to send me a bare-board memory card. Well, actually not completely bare, just lacking the RAM chips themselves (since I have a small supply of those already courtesy of Paul).

It will be a while before I rerig my toaster oven to solder on the RAM chips, but right now I just have to say: this looks MUCH simpler to attach to the empeg than I'd expected. The through-hole solder points are extra large, perhaps double the diameter of a "normal" pin-size through-hole. This makes it very easy to get the soldering iron tip into the opening to ensure good flow/connection.

I think these boards will work out just fine for anyone who installs them.

Cheers

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#251845 - 12/04/2005 07:59 Re: Me Too! [Re: mlord]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
They use the same RAM chips? I am a bit surprised - I thought higher capacity chips were involved.
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#251846 - 12/04/2005 09:35 Re: Me Too! [Re: pgrzelak]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Can we stack RAM chips on the expansion boards so Paul and I can get like 256 MB?
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#251847 - 12/04/2005 10:18 Re: Me Too! [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
No. Stacking relies on having spare bank select lines available. The expansion board uses them all.

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#251848 - 12/04/2005 10:58 Re: Me Too! [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Heh.. I think the capacitive loading of that many chips would not give reliable operation, but it should be possible to stack them one extra layer high. But some support logic (an invertor) would be needed to wire up the extra necessary address line to use them.

EDIT: From the processor's point of view, each DRAM bank can have up to 128MB of memory, so a maxed-out empeg could (in theory) have 512MB of DRAM.

Cheers


Edited by mlord (12/04/2005 11:04)

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#251849 - 12/04/2005 15:41 Re: Me Too! [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
You'll need to add a carbon fiber hood to the bottom of your empeg to make space for that hot-rod 512meg stacked ram.

(and let me just warn you now, do NOT search for "carbon fiber hood" on Google Images while at work. no wonder I don't let myself post to the BBS from my office.)
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#251850 - 12/04/2005 15:47 Re: Me Too! [Re: FireFox31]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
??

The worst thing I see, even with safe searching turned off, is a girl in a swimsuit lying on a car's hood. Hardly scandalous.
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#251851 - 12/04/2005 16:31 Re: Me Too! [Re: wfaulk]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
Maybe his employer finds the Honda Civic offensive.
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