#279633 - 17/04/2006 15:56
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Registered: 08/03/2000
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Loc: Sterling, VA
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I have an odd problem in my office. I have an attorney who is trying to download an excel file that is posted on this site (it's the first "By clicking here" link). Clicking on that link opens a new window that contains a page with nothing but a bit of javascript that pops up the download for the file. In IE, this brings up the wonderful "Information bar." So I tell it to allow popups for this site. But when I try again, the javascript always pops up a new little window, but it just closes right away and never asks about saving the file. It works properly in Firefox, so what's wrong with IE (besides everything else wrong with IE)? It seems like a dumb method to offer a file for download, but this seems to be an application issue. For the time being I've been able to view the source to find the URL for the excel file, and download the document for him. I don't want to do that every week, though. Thanks for your help.
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#279634 - 17/04/2006 16:18
Re: URL problem
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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In IE for me, it actually opens the spreadsheet inside the IE window. Maybe the plugin-ness of Excel is broken? See if you can download it and then open it up with a "file:" URL within IE and see what happens.
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#279635 - 17/04/2006 16:22
Re: URL problem
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Hmmm... If it opens for you cleanly, it might be that there is a cached / open version of the file blocking the download. I have seen this happen a few times. If you can, rename the file by a character (or clear cache / close all applications) and try again.
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#279636 - 17/04/2006 16:22
Re: URL problem
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5914
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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The page that opens the xls file has some broken javascript in it (it tried to use a variable that it hasn't declared). Firefox is ignoring the broken-ness of the javascript and IE isn't.
If you turn on script error reporting in IE you get to see the error. Most people will have it turned off, so it will just silently fail.
Not much you can do about it unless the website fixes their Javascript or he starts using Firefox instead.
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#279637 - 17/04/2006 18:03
Re: URL problem
[Re: andy]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12320
Loc: Sterling, VA
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Thanks, I suspected it was something to do with the site. I love that the method they have to view the file is not very good, and on top of that it's broken.
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#279638 - 17/04/2006 18:36
Re: URL problem
[Re: Dignan]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
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Just give 'em all Firefox. You're in a position of power now?
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#279639 - 19/04/2006 00:53
Re: URL problem
[Re: CrackersMcCheese]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12320
Loc: Sterling, VA
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Just give 'em all Firefox. You're in a position of power now?
I am! I may suggest it anyway. Hell, I can make it easy on him. I'll install Firefox and just have a link on his desktop that'll use it to view the page instead of IE.
I'd make them all switch, but these are attorneys. They use WordPerfect.
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#279640 - 19/04/2006 02:36
Re: URL problem
[Re: Dignan]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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Sigh. What IS it with attorneys and WP? They are the only group of people that use it consistently that I've ever met. You'd think that all the people that have problems opening docs from them would influence their decision, but apparently not.
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#279641 - 19/04/2006 02:42
Re: URL problem
[Re: lectric]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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What IS it with attorneys and WP?
Reveal Codes. And probably templates that no one wants to be legally responsible for porting to word.
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#279642 - 19/04/2006 02:50
Re: URL problem
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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I was just at a sperm donation clinic doing a service call yesterday and was shocked to find them using word perfect.
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#279643 - 19/04/2006 07:02
Re: URL problem
[Re: msaeger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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I was just at a sperm donation clinic doing a service call yesterday and was shocked to find them using word perfect.
Sperm donation clinic? Service call? TMI... 
I've asked people before why they still use WordPerfect and the answer is the before mentioned templates and that it does everything they need so they don't want to change it. You could up/downgrade them to the latest bloatware Word release.
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#279644 - 19/04/2006 10:09
Re: URL problem
[Re: lectric]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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Sigh. What IS it with attorneys and WP? They are the only group of people that use it consistently that I've ever met. You'd think that all the people that have problems opening docs from them would influence their decision, but apparently not.
IANAL but I still use WordPerfect (for Linux) here for older stuff like invoices and envelopes..
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#279645 - 19/04/2006 10:18
Re: URL problem
[Re: lectric]
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old hand
Registered: 27/02/2003
Posts: 770
Loc: Washington, DC metro
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My wife's an attorney on Capitol Hill. Her office (they draft legislation) still mostly uses an old text interface vesion of XyWrite. They had so many custom features and macros built into it, they refused to change for years. They are now in the second year of a new, custom built replacement: it's pretty, but buggy as hell. They still tend to go back to XyWrite for any of the longer bills.  -jk
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#279646 - 19/04/2006 11:55
Re: URL problem
[Re: lectric]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12320
Loc: Sterling, VA
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Sigh. What IS it with attorneys and WP? They are the only group of people that use it consistently that I've ever met. You'd think that all the people that have problems opening docs from them would influence their decision, but apparently not.
One way it was explained to me is that early on all the secretaries started on WP, and they just followed the upgrade path. Then when the attorneys started using computers (well, most of them, I have a few here who don't use them), they used WP because that's what their secretaries used. I think they're trying these days to switch over, but it's hard since we work with other law firms who also use WP. I think we have an application whose only function is to convert documents from one program to the other.
I'd like to mention that I love WordPerfect......5.1. After that it seemed like they were trying to go toe to toe with Word and the bloatware started piling on. I still think reveal codes is fantastic. Considering all the crap formatting that Word shoves down your throat, something like reveal codes would be the greatest thing to ever grace that application.
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#279647 - 19/04/2006 15:09
Re: URL problem
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Everyone should really just be using TeX anyway.
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#279648 - 19/04/2006 15:14
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[Re: wfaulk]
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veteran
Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Everyone should really just be using TeX anyway.
troff.
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#279649 - 19/04/2006 15:49
Re: URL problem
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5544
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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Everyone should really just be using TeX anyway.
Is that as good an editor as edlin?
tanstaafl.
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#279650 - 19/04/2006 20:28
Re: URL problem
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
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#279651 - 19/04/2006 22:28
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[Re: pgrzelak]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5544
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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ROFL
tanstaafl.
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#279652 - 19/04/2006 23:36
Re: URL problem
[Re: pgrzelak]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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My first computer didn't have inodes...
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#279653 - 19/04/2006 23:46
Re: URL problem
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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So who else had to punch card decks - on the job?
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#279654 - 19/04/2006 23:50
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[Re: gbeer]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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Anyone remember the command "get we"?
Brownie points for whoever remembers what it did, more specifically, why.
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#279655 - 20/04/2006 11:05
Re: URL problem
[Re: gbeer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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So who else had to punch card decks - on the job?
That would also include me.
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#279656 - 20/04/2006 19:51
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[Re: gbeer]
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old hand
Registered: 27/02/2003
Posts: 770
Loc: Washington, DC metro
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So who else had to punch card decks - on the job?
Does paper tape count?
-jk
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#279657 - 21/04/2006 06:38
Re: URL problem
[Re: jmwking]
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Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Does paper tape count?
Only if used on an ASR Teletype 33...
(ASR stands for "Automatic Send/Receive" - "automatic" as in from/to paper tape instead of keyboard/printer).
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#279658 - 21/04/2006 11:02
Re: URL problem
[Re: julf]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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Does paper tape count?
Only if used on an ASR Teletype 33...
Err.. that would also include me 
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#279659 - 21/04/2006 11:56
Re: URL problem
[Re: lectric]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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get we
No one? Hint: It was a DOS command.
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#279660 - 21/04/2006 20:03
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[Re: julf]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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The only paper tape I wrote on had to do with programming an numerically controlled mill. Wasn't much fun having to type in that whole tape in one go without errors.
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#279661 - 21/04/2006 20:10
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[Re: lectric]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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get we
No one? Hint: It was a DOS command.
Don't make me go dust off my PCjr. I wonder if those dos 2.1 floppies are still readable.
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#279662 - 21/04/2006 20:54
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[Re: gbeer]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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OK, It reboots the computer. More specifically, it calls the memory count, which flushes the memory. Instantly.
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#279663 - 22/04/2006 10:34
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[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
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Back to the Word vs. WP issue, I've worked with a variety of different attorneys over the years, and every one of them has used Word. Microsoft has managed to make inroads into that community as well. The interesting custom application that they all seem to use is "E-Transcript Viewer" (www.reallegal.com). It's actually a pretty slick application, with an index of every word used, to let you quickly find every mention of a given term. I've only ever used the free-download viewer application. I understand that the software package used by court reporters and such goes for $3000+ (in addition to the thousands of dollars they spend on that funky chording transcription device). Sounds steep, but it's also very clever. It keeps real-time synchronization, internally, between what you typed and the audio recording that it's making. If the court reporter wants to go back and figure out what was being said, they can click on the text and hear the digital audio recording at precisely that point.
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#279664 - 22/04/2006 21:39
Re: URL problem
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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Does paper tape count?
Only if used on an ASR Teletype 33...
Err.. that would also include me
And me. It had to do with two-phase assembler on even then (circa 1985) ancient Data General Nova 1220 controlling several racks of physics instrumentation. But this one was KSR 33, IIRC ('K' standing for 'Keyboard'). (Hm, apparently not: Wikipedia claims that KSR lacked the tape puncher and reader.)
Edited by bonzi (23/04/2006 18:29)
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