#282181 - 30/05/2006 12:19
Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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I've been waiting for someone to start a thread about the latest X-Men installment, but I'll have to dump on this myself. WTF!? Anyone else see it and leave at the end in utter disbelief (of how bad it was)?
I suppose the first two were fair warning, but with the second improving a bit on the first, I wouldn't have expected to see the third go "Bad TV Movie" on us. I'll put it into perspective... In my opinion, it was only marginally better than a made-for-TV Stephen King movie (and everyone knows how bad those are - case in point, the recent stinker Desperation). The movie just didn't hit the mark anywhere. Definitely not in story/plot - it didn't have much of one. Not in pacing, action, nor dialog. People looked pretty, make-up was decent, costumes were good, digital effects/compositing also good and pyrotechnics acceptable. I suppose it comes down to a terrible script/screenplay.
Marvel are quickly diluting their brand equity by letting such crap hit the screens. Throwing Stan Lee into a 3 second cameo doesn't make a movie.
I mean, set aside all its other faults and they still manage to rip off a major storyline/plot element from Ultraviolet. They even used the same actor in the same role! It's pretty much the same role the kid also played in Birth (though I suppose that's stretching it a bit).
I saw in the theater, but this flick was barely worth the (unattended) time to download. And definitely not worth the time to watch it.
Bruno
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#282182 - 30/05/2006 12:55
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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It was sooo disappointing. I do like the Marvel movies, especially the first two X-Men, but this was really bad. The 'story' was badly executed, some scenes were too long and felt drawn out, stupid stuff happened - it was mainly just a movie where mutants destroyed stuff and each other... apart from the cool special effects it was simply lame.
An amusing side note... its interesting how the main characters drive around in lovely and beautiful classic Mercedes (scene in the past), and a Maybach ('near future') while in the main fight scene they are throwing flaming cars, which are all BMWs. I wonder whether that was part of the Mercedes placement deal.
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#282183 - 30/05/2006 15:38
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
[Re: hybrid8]
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Throwing Stan Lee into a 3 second cameo doesn't make a movie.
Perhaps they thought that an additional 3-second cameo appearance by Chris Claremont would help?
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#282184 - 30/05/2006 15:59
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Did anyone stay till after the credits? If you didn't you missed a very very very very very important part of the movie.
All around I think the movie was OK. Some stuff was really cool like the flaming car bombs.
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#282185 - 30/05/2006 16:17
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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#282186 - 30/05/2006 17:46
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Two of my favorite things:  1. Right after Magneto moves the Golden gate bridge... Day then night! Who missed that one!!! 2. The way Phoenix "burned" people to ashes... the ashes looked like blocky artifacts that weren't rendered well. When I think of ashes I picture the stuff that fell from Mount St. Helens. Not what was in X3 I agree with most critics... 1 1/2 stars. Too bad Marvel wanted to beat Bryan Singer's 'Superman Returns' to the theaters so bad they went with a poor script/director/etc... BTW, Superman Returns will rock!
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#282187 - 30/05/2006 18:17
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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I'm soooo bummed to read this thread. Damn it, I'm still going tonight!
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#282188 - 30/05/2006 18:39
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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BTW, Superman Returns will rock!
In the same way that The Phantom Menace was going to rock?
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#282189 - 30/05/2006 18:39
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
Of the year? I dunno, there is still Snakes On A Plane.
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#282190 - 30/05/2006 18:40
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Claremont sucks. Not as bad as the people who came after him, but the only time X-Men was really worth reading was when John Byrne was working on it (albeit with Claremont). And, if I gather the plot from the trailer well enough, this was part and parcel of what he wrote.
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#282191 - 30/05/2006 18:55
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
Of the year? I dunno, there is still Snakes On A Plane.
Snakes on a Plane will be the only movie I go to a theater to see this year. I just need to see how bad it will be.
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#282192 - 30/05/2006 19:37
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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DC seems to have started making comics movies worth going to again, after a huge slump from the mid-90s to the early 2000s. Batman Begins, V for Vendetta. Of course, there were a number of real stinkers directly before them: Constantine (which should have been great), and Catwoman.
Whereas Marvel has been wildly hit-and-miss. At the same time they're making the pretty-darned-good Spider-Man movies, they're also making Daredevil and The Punisher, not to mention the Mutant X TV show and the Man-Thing straight-to-SciFi-Channel movie. (For those of you out of the US who might base their SciFi Channel knowledge on Battlestar Galactica, BG is a complete aberration in their typical utter dreck.)
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#282193 - 30/05/2006 21:15
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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The following movies were (far) better than X-Men 3:
Daredevil
The Punisher
Elektra
By biggest gripes with the Punisher were lead choice and character attitude and abilities. Just didn't match well with the comic.
Just off the bat, I'd venture to say one of the best Marvel movies thus-far was also one of their first (and lowest budget), Blade. This recent movie just doesn't hold up on its own. It's also completely superfluous when taken with the previous two (almost like Terminator 3 when taken with T2). X-Men is just so far removed from anything I remember from the comics. Characters not matched well, they're all practically useless in combat, etc..
What I'd like to see is a good script for a 2.5 hour retelling of the series of issues surrounding Dark Phoenix. I'd also love to see the original Longshot mini series turned into a movie.
Given the "quality" of the Marvel movies over the past 10 years, what do you think a retelling of Secret Wars would be like? I shudder at the thought.
Bruno
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#282194 - 30/05/2006 21:26
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Two of my favorite things:
1. Right after Magneto moves the Golden gate bridge... Day then night! Who missed that one!!!
I was so confused when that happened. I kept asking Jenny if I was hallucinating.
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#282195 - 30/05/2006 21:50
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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For those of us who didn't catch the after credits footage maybe you can post a description...
Bruno
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#282196 - 30/05/2006 23:34
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Spoiler:
Irtrgnoyr qhqr sebz gur pynff frffvba gnyxf gb gur ahefr fgnaqvat bire uvz. Gur ibvpr lbh urne vf Cebs. K'f.
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#282197 - 30/05/2006 23:42
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
[Re: hybrid8]
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I can't remember exactly how it went but read if you want to know the gist of it.
Spoiler:
Va n ebbz jr frr n zna va n orq ba n erfcvengbe (pna'g ernyyl frr jub vg vf). N srznyr vf va gur ebbz naq ybbxf yvxr n ahefr. Gur zna zbirf uvf urnq naq fnlf gur srznyrf anzr. Gura nfxf ubj ybat? Gur srznyr fnlf Puneyrf..
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#282198 - 31/05/2006 00:04
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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By biggest gripes with the Punisher were lead choice and character attitude and abilities. Just didn't match well with the comic.
A little off topic to the off topic, but how much do you think my Punisher comics are worth? I have all the first few years + war journel + mini series + his appearances in Spider Man and Daredevil... I check about 8 years ago and their value was actually going down (along with my GJ Joes comics..) Does anyone recommend a good source to find value?
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#282199 - 31/05/2006 00:17
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Elektra was better than X3? Wow, that's discouraging. I haven't seen it yet, but I still think I'll enjoy it just for dumb entertainment.
One comment about made for TV Stephen King movies, though. I think you can include most made-for-theater Stephen King movies. Did you see Dreamcatcher? That was awful.
And I couldn't get your opinion based on your post, Bruno. Did you like Ultraviolet? If you did, I'd love to hear your justifications, because I think it may have been the worst movie I've seen in years. I would have left the theater if there hadn't been such laugh-out-loud piss poor dialogue.
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#282200 - 31/05/2006 01:09
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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The Punishers probably aren't worth a whole lot these days, but a few of the War Journals might be. They feature some early Jim Lee art. You can take a look over at ComicsPriceGuide.com. It doesn't seem to be too far off base, as long as you ignore the CGC bullshit. Looks like those Punishers aren't worth much anymore. Too bad. They used to be way expensive. Anyway, most stores these days seem to use either Wizard prices or Overstreet prices, usually just Overstreet for things Wizard doesn't list. Wizard will list all the ones you have, though. Go to a store (most big bookstores seem to carry Wizard these days) and pick up the latest issue. It'll only cost you a few bucks. Or look at it in the store, since you have a discrete few things to look at. Of course, there's still the issue of grading the books. If you're not interested in them anymore at all, just call up your local shop and ask them if they're interested and how they would like to have them presented. Some shops would like a list just to see if they care at all; other shops will want you to bring them in so that they can judge their condition.
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#282201 - 31/05/2006 01:35
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Did you like Ultraviolet? If you did, I'd love to hear your justifications, because I think it may have been the worst movie I've seen in years. I would have left the theater if there hadn't been such laugh-out-loud piss poor dialogue.
My wife and I went to see the movie in the theater and I could not believe how crappy everything was about this movie. About halfway through we both just started cracking up and laughing at the VFX, the premise, the dialog, just everything. Milla doesn't seem to have more than 2 poses, it kind of reminded me of Zoolander. MAGNUM! COLD STEEL!
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#282202 - 31/05/2006 03:05
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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I was indifferent to Ultraviolet. I didn't come away pissed off that I had spent the time sitting in the theater watching it. When I left from watching X-Men I was sorry I hadn't stayed at my parents' watching King Kong on TV. And somewhat upset they completely botched the franchise making it unlikely a better (X-Men) movie can be made in the near future.
Many of the visual effects in Ultraviolet were meant to be stylistic, which a lot of people simply shrugged off as "primitive" or "fake." I thought it might be a big detractor, but I didn't mind it - it worked for me. I had the same apprehension before watching Sky Captain, but was pleasantly surprised at how well it worked and that I actually enjoyed the movie.
Ultraviolet wasn't a very memorable film and neither was Elektra, but with X-Men I find myself trying hard to forget it as soon as possible. Another fairly lackluster movie with similar themes and faults was Aeon Flux. All of these still better than the recent X3 in most ways.
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#282203 - 31/05/2006 10:46
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Many of the visual effects in Ultraviolet were meant to be stylistic, which a lot of people simply shrugged off as "primitive" or "fake."
Are you certain about this? They seemed to be trying awful hard to me. And my words about them would be a lot harsher. Perhaps "the worst effects I've seen at the movies in ten years." There were a couple good sfx, and those would seem to throw off the idea that it was all stylistic. And good lord did you see the "fire" on that warehouse in the very end of the movie? It looked like that single fire effect they use on Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
I'm actually sad that I can't remember the lines of dialog that my friend and I were quoting afterward for a week. There were a couple of absolutely horrible lines that had us rolling.
So yeah, I can't say the movie was a complete waste. It was an excellent comedy that had us cracking up from start to finish. Too bad it was such a god awful movie.
Out of curiousity, Bruno, how would you rank Ultraviolet with the first two XMen movies?
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#282204 - 31/05/2006 11:20
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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I'm kind of surprised by the reactions to the movie here. I haven't seen it (and really don't have a desire to, honestly), but everybody I know that did pretty much loved it. There was a lot more negative feedback on 'The Da Vinci Code' than X3.
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#282205 - 31/05/2006 12:59
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I, for one, enjoyed it. I went in looking for a popcorn flick and that's what I got. It was fun. Had I been a hardcore X-men fan, perhaps my views would be different, but other than a smattering of ideas about who had what powers, I have no idea what the backtory is supposed to be.
So, to me, the effects were cool, the mutants were cool, and I enjoyed the story. So there.
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#282206 - 31/05/2006 15:51
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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When I think of ashes I picture the stuff that fell from Mount St. Helens. Not what was in X3.
You've got that right. The vaporized people in War of the Worlds looked more realistic.
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#282207 - 31/05/2006 16:07
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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The following movies were (far) better than X-Men 3:
Daredevil <-------------
The Punisher
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Thanks! 
I had the (mis)fortune of working on Daredevil. Our studio also worked on Elektra.
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#282208 - 31/05/2006 16:33
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The following movies were (far) better than X-Men 3:
Daredevil
It was bad, but it wasn't that bad!
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#282209 - 31/05/2006 19:10
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The following movies were (far) better than X-Men 3:
Daredevil
It was bad, but it wasn't that bad!
We really start to see varying tastes emerging. I seem to be one of the few people who thought Daredevil was pretty good. Then again, I know next to nothing about that particular comic.
Maybe that has a lot to do with it. It seems that on average, people with emotional investments in the source material of comic book movies tend to not like the films. I've read almost no comic books, and what I know about the XMen, Spiderman, Superman, Justice League, etc comes from the cartoon shows, movies, and reading character bios on online/print comic encyclopedias*. I'm not sure which is dorkier, reading the comics, or only reading a 350 page encyclopedia about them
* I like this one for DC, and was sad to see that the Marvel site I used closed due to lack of funding. Anyone know a good online resource for Marvel character bios and such? The official site is pretty bad. Lastly, I think I've read about 3/4 of the DC Encyclopedia.
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#282210 - 31/05/2006 19:46
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For the record, not that it should color your impression of the movie, the storyline that the Daredevil movie was based on was probably the best Daredevil story ever and one of the best series of comics ever, and while I thought the movie was okay, it didn't do the source material justice at all. That story has been collected as Daredevil Visionaries 1, 2, & 3, if I remember correctly. It was written and drawn by Frank Miller, the same guy who wrote and drew Sin City, albeit about 20 years earlier. Batman Begins was partially loosely based on his work on Batman, too.
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#282211 - 31/05/2006 19:51
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I read Frank Miller's Batman, The Dark Knight Returns and while some areas the content were a bit dark for my taste, it was one of the most engaging comics I've read. I'd be interested to see a movie based on it.
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#282212 - 31/05/2006 19:57
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That was not the comic that the movie was partially based on, though. See if you can find a copy of Batman: Year One. It's still dark, but in a less grim-meathook-future way. I think it's much more compelling, personally.
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#282213 - 31/05/2006 20:52
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I'll say it again in case people thought I was joking... Daredevil (yes, the movie with Ben Afleck) was head and shoulders above X3, X-Men The Last Stand. More entertaining in a general sense. I've only ever read a couple of Daredevil comics and that was years and years ago. But even with equal basic knowledge of the characters of both movies, it's easy to see the X-Men were just represented without heart, emotion and above all, without the attitudes found in their print counterparts.
Bitt mentioned the Daredevil story that provided the foundation for the movie was great and that the movie didn't do it justice and was just "ok." I can't say the same for the X-Men movie. The Dark Phoenix saga is what many fans were expecting - and that's one hell of a phenomenal story arch. The movie gave us a confused Jean Grey and that's it. No story elements from the comic beyond the name "Phoenix" - no sense of dread or omnipotent power. Phoenix was an entity and a destroyer of whole races & planets. Instead we got a few people and buildings disintegrating. What we also got was the door slammed on the possibility of doing anything remotely similar to the comic in the near future.
My hope is they let the movie series die for a few years and bring it back when someone serious enough about the subject matter comes along. Just like they did with Batman. As an aside, the Val Kilmer and George Clooney movies were worse than the latest X-Men movie - I'll give that up easily. In fact they belong in the short list of all-time worst movies ever.
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#282214 - 31/05/2006 22:42
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In fact they belong in the short list of all-time worst movies ever.
Short.
Not if you're writing the list.
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#282215 - 01/06/2006 04:28
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I'm with you. I too liked Daredevil and The Punisher. I never did see Elektra. I will wait for X3 to come out on DVD before I see it. I'm not much for going to the theater. The experience is generally far worse than watching it at home. I won't get too excited about the movie not following the written story either. It has been my experience that the film that closely follows the written story is a rare bird indeed.
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#282217 - 01/06/2006 12:26
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I've heard some people didn't like Batman Begins. No one I know personally, but on the net (as usual ) I thought it was great. Easily the best comic-based superhero movie of the past decade. I also quite liked Hellboy. I feel it was easily better than the first two X-Men movies as well. I certainly found it more enjoyable and hope they continue with at least the same level of quality for the sequel. I also like Constantine - though I'm not familair at all with the source (comic) material. Bruno
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#282218 - 01/06/2006 13:11
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I read Frank Miller's Batman, The Dark Knight Returns and...I'd be interested to see a movie based on it.
As long as they kept Joel Schumacher away from the project and stayed true to one or two of the story lines in the book--perhaps the introduction of a female Robin, the fighting of the Mutants and Batman nearly decimating Superman in a showdown (they can't do the Joker thing, 'cause he's already dead in the movies)--then it might truly rock.
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#282219 - 01/06/2006 13:13
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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I thought [Batman Begins] was great. Easily the best comic-based superhero movie of the past decade.
You got that right. It was the best of the series since the original Batman movie.
Be on the lookout for the new upcoming Ghost Rider movie. I was never a fan of the comic book, and I cringe to see Nicholas Cage in the lead role, but if you liked Hellboy, this one may appeal to you.
* Edit: Link added.
Edited by Cybjorg (01/06/2006 13:16)
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#282220 - 01/06/2006 14:03
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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The upside to it being Nick Cage is that he, personally, is a huge Ghost Rider fan. He has a Ghost Rider tattoo. So, with that in mind, I have the feeling that he won't let it turn into a steaming pile of crap. It might anyway, but there will at least be someone important on-set trying to prevent it.
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#282221 - 01/06/2006 14:21
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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What was wrong with Constantine?
It was, to reuse a phrase, a steaming pile of crap. It was a terrible movie, regardless of its complete bastardization of the source material. The only thing in it that was any good at all was the Peter Stormare/Tilda Swinton scene towards the end. You know, where the entire rest of the lousy-acting cast were nowhere to be seen.
It's been a while since I watched it, but I remember basically just laughing at it once I got over the anger of the completely lousy adaptation and the horrible set design.
Basically, what I'm saying is that it has no connection to the comics other than the name, but even ignoring that supposed connection, it was a laughably bad movie. It was basically a poorly produced 80s Schwarzenegger/Stallone movie with the addition of some supernatural crap. You'd think that if they're going to get rid of the musclebound idiots they could at least find a scrawny man who could act.
For the record, in the comics (Hellblazer, BTW, is the name of the comic), John Constantine is a mediocre magician whose greatest power is that he knows everyone in the underworld and can manipulate them to get what he wants. He's a con artist, and always getting himself in trouble. He's also English -- the character was created by an Englishman and is usually written by a Brit -- and blond. He was designed after Sting (of the mid-80s). If you've ever seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer, take Spike, remove the fact that he's a vampire, and you're basically left with John Constantine. Although Giles's mostly implied background is obviously very influenced by Constantine's backstory. Now that I think about it, The Frighteners was actually a pretty good Hellblazer adaptation, not that it was intended as such. Certainly better than Constantine.
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#282222 - 01/06/2006 14:40
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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they can't do the Joker thing, 'cause he's already dead in the movies
I was under the impression that if they kept going with new Batman movies, they'd essentially be re-writing a new storyline rather than trying to tie in with the previous four movies (meaning they could do a different Joker storyline where he doesn't die). Is that incorrect?
And as much as I hated the Shumacher Batman movies, I'm not really sure it was his fault as much as it was the failure of trying to put out a Tim Burton style movie with someone other than Tim Burton directing. I don't think any director could have done those movies well and still kept consistent with the style that Burton initiated. Christopher Nolan did a good job making a Christopher Nolan style movie instead of trying to imitate Burton.
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#282223 - 02/06/2006 13:03
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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they can't do the Joker thing, 'cause he's already dead in the movies
I was under the impression that if they kept going with new Batman movies, they'd essentially be re-writing a new storyline rather than trying to tie in with the previous four movies (meaning they could do a different Joker storyline where he doesn't die). Is that incorrect?
I was wondering what he meant by that statement too. It's called Batman Begins for a reason. It's a complete retelling. Besides, Cybjorg, did you miss the very last minute of the movie?
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#282224 - 05/06/2006 11:39
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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The upside to it being Nick Cage is that he, personally, is a huge Ghost Rider fan. He has a Ghost Rider tattoo. So, with that in mind, I have the feeling that he won't let it turn into a steaming pile of crap. It might anyway, but there will at least be someone important on-set trying to prevent it.
Pretty much anything he is in turns to crap, at least in my opinion. He overacts so badly that it is painful to watch a lot of the time.
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#282225 - 05/06/2006 14:31
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Pretty much anything he is in turns to crap, at least in my opinion. He overacts so badly that it is painful to watch a lot of the time.
There are a lot of people who really dislike his acting, I've found. I never really understood it. Yeah, he has his mannerisms that could be taken as overacting, but he's turned out a lot of good films/performances. I certainly enjoyed these:
Raising Arizona
Lord of War
Adaptation
Bringing Out the Dead
Leaving Las Vegas
8MM*
and I kind of liked Snake Eyes
(and for the popcorn movies)
Face/Off
Con Air (you can't possibly point out bad/over acting in this ridiculous movie)
The Rock
It Could Happen to You
IMO, that's a pretty good resume. At the very least, I wouldn't say any of these movies "turn[ed] to crap."
*well, I certainly didn't like 8MM, but I thought he was pretty good
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#282226 - 05/06/2006 15:07
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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You didn't mention "Birdy" - one of my Nic Cage favorites...
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#282227 - 05/06/2006 16:29
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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Out of the movies you listed, I really did like Raising Arizona and Face Off wasn't bad. When I think of overacting (and specifically my comment on being painful to watch) I was thinking of both The Rock (although the story and Sean Connery helped that one) and Leaving Las Vegas.
You were right about Con Air being ridiculous. I believe that is the only movie with John Cussack that I didn't love.
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#282228 - 05/06/2006 21:06
Re: Was X-Men 3 the worst movie of the year?
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And out of those, I only liked Lord of War and The Rock. The others I just couldn't stand. In fact, I walked out of Raising Arizona, That's a big deal as I've only walked out of 2 other movies. Kingpin and Natural Born Killers. Blech.
Edited by lectric (05/06/2006 21:07)
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