#286130 - 28/08/2006 23:18
Help!! can't upload any more files
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Registered: 31/12/2001
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Hi,
i just decided to dust off my Empeg/Rio Car after like a year of no use..
This is my setup..
Rio Car MK2 , 20GB + 10GB drives
6GB used 21GB Free , about 1600 files on the player
V2.01 Final , Hijack 4.61
I started uploading file, which was going fine but it seemed to reach a limit and now everything i try to upload i get the following error..
" *.mp3 could not be synchronized, error 0xc0041005"
and error 0xc004101e error on the next mp3 file, and so on..
If i delete a file, then try to add the file that failed before, it works fine.. so it appears to be reaching some limit, but what i have no idea.
At first i thought it was the FID limit, but i only have like 1600 songs on my player. could that really be it?
Any help is greatly appreciated!!!
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#286131 - 29/08/2006 01:23
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: booey]
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Here is my boot up output..
empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 (hugo@empeg.com)dev 03:44 blksize=1024 blocknr=18661378 sector=3732
If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now,inode bitmap -ou
EXT2-fs error (devi
attempt to access beyond end of deviceot
or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux!80read inode bitmap -IT
block_group = 227
dev 03:44 blksize=1024 blocknr
e000 v1.04ctor=38305
Copying kernel...t=1empt to access
Calling linux kernel...04-0, 19077MB w/1806kB
Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kerneode bitmap -44
dev 03:44 blksize=1024 blocknr=18669570 sector=37339140 size=1024
l.un
Linux version 2.2.17-rmk5-np17-empeg52-hijack-v461 (hijack@rtr.ca) (gcc version2-fs error (devi
attempt to access beyond end of deviceot read inode bitmap -10
2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #2 Thu Jun 8 15:00:28 EDT 2006ad inode bitmap -2-f
block_group = 227
03:44: rw=0, want=19169283,
Command line: mem=16mss Ctrl-A to enter pu
Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS=19169282 sector=38338564 size=1024 count
Memory: 15008k/16M available (988k code, 20k reserved, 364k data, 4k init)
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,68)): read_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode b
Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k) beyond end of deviceot read inode bitm
bloc
Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) read inode bitmap -2-f
bloc
attempt to access beyon
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP7474_inode_bitmap: Cannot re
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)evice
bloc
03:44: rw
IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli)ize=1024 count=1itm
03:44
dev 03:44 blksize=102
Starting kswapd v 1.5tor=38371332 size=102
SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled inode bitmap -ou
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,68)): read_inode_
ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART23, inode_bitmap = 18210818_bitmap: Cannot read
ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UARmap = 19
empeg dsp initialised block_group = 2343,
empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0
bloc
attempt to access beyond en
empeg remote control/panel button initialised.tm
03:44: rw=0, want=19202051, limit=973728072
empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012ev 03:44 blksize=1024 blocknr=19202050 s
empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0005e80).cess beyond end of deviceot read inode bitm
EXT2-fs error (de
empeg RDS driver initialisedbitmap: Cannot read inode bi
empeg power-pic driver initialised
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80tmap = 18718722_bitmap: Cannot read ino
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80e ide0(3,68)): read_inode_bitmap: Canno
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x558026915, limit=9737280ice
P
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff8045, inode_bitmap = 19210242or=37453828
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80 to access beyond end of deviceor=34537
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80=0, want=19218435, limit=9737280 read i
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x55803:44 blksize=1024 blocknr=19218434 sect
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80e_bitmap = 18726914_bitmap: Cannot read
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80nd of deviceot read inode bitmap -1024
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80limit=9737280read inode bitmap -
bl
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0xff80locknr=19226626 sector=38453252 size=10
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff7fevice: rw=0, want=16785411, limit=973
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xffffread_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode bi
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaaaa18743298 sector=37486596 size=1024 coun
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5555p = 1922662680 read inode bitmap -ou
EX
hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK driveond end of deviceot read inode bitmap
hdb: IC25N020ATDA04-0, ATA DISK drive234819, limit=9737280read inode bitma
ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6
b
smc chip id/revision 0x3349map = 19234818_bitmap: Cann
smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu) end of deviceocknr=18268162 sector=36536324 s
bloc
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SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:28:10:eev 03:44 blksize=1024 blocknr=19243010 sector=38486020 size=1024 count=1itm
03:4
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Partition check:83, limit=973728
Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
change_root: old root has d_count=1
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8
I see this is a developer image!
Mounting proc
Mounting first music partition
Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19
Mounting second music partition
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...
Starting player
Timezone: Atlantic/South_Georgia
Hijack: intercepting config.ini
hijack: removed menu entry: "Hard Disk Detection"
hijack: removed menu entry: "Serial Port Assignment"
khttpd: listening on port 80
kftpd: listening on port 21
player.cpp : 385:empeg-car 2.01 2004/07/06.
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1434 Jul 5 2004
Vcb: 0x4086d000
I also get this error when running fsck..
empeg:/empeg/bin# fsck -fay /dev/hdc4
Parallelizing fsck version 1.19 (13-Jul-2000)
e2fsck 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/
hdc4 is mounted.
The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 19451880 blocks
The physical size of the device is 9737280 blocks
Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!
Edited by booey (29/08/2006 01:30)
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#286132 - 29/08/2006 07:49
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: booey]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Greetings! Your boot log is a bit scrambled. You probably are using cut and paste from hyperterm. You are better off capturing the results to a file and then cutting / pasting. It is much clearer. I suspect that the hard drive cable may have loosened from the header, a hard drive jumper fell off (if using the regular / too large desktop drive jumpers), that the cable might be bad or that there is corruption on the hard drives. Please see this FAQ entry for some of the more common troubleshooting steps.
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#286133 - 29/08/2006 09:50
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: booey]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31607
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
At first i thought it was the FID limit, but i only have like 1600 songs on my player. could that really be it?
Definitely not it.
Quote:
If i delete a file, then try to add the file that failed before, it works fine.. so it appears to be reaching some limit, but what i have no idea.
It's removing the file from the "good" hard disk, thus leaving space for the new song on the same good disk. As soon as that's in place, then it tries to place the next file on the "bad" hard disk, and then fails. See here for a description of why.
As was previously stated... From the looks of your boot log (by the way, click here to find out how to produce a non-scrambled boot log, as was previously stated, hyperterminal has a clipboard bug and you should do a capture text instead), you've got problems with one of the disk drives. It's either the cable, the jumper, the IDE header, or the drive itself. Follow that link in the prior post and carefully go through each part of it.
After you solve the disk drive trouble, you might need to do a FSCK and a manual database rebuild.
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#286134 - 29/08/2006 10:53
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 31/12/2001
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ok, thanks for the help guys..
one question tho,
Emplode does show my full capacity of both drives , and Hijack is showing both 20+10GB drives in its Vital signs so i didnt think it was a loose cable or jumper.
Would Emplode still report the 30GB capacity, and hijack show both drives if it was a bad physical drive or connection?
ok, here is a capture of the hyperterm session, and empeg boot.
sorry about the previous one!!!
empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 (hugo@empeg.com)
If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now,
or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux!
e000 v1.04
Copying kernel...
Calling linux kernel...
Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kernel.
Linux version 2.2.17-rmk5-np17-empeg52-hijack-v461 (hijack@rtr.ca) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #2 Thu Jun 8 15:00:28 EDT 2006
Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11
Checking for extra DRAM:
c1000000: wrote ffffffff, read e28cc001
NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp.
empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 40104327) 16MB DRAM
Command line: mem=16m
Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS
Memory: 15008k/16M available (988k code, 20k reserved, 364k data, 4k init)
Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k)
Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)
IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli)
Starting kswapd v 1.5
SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled
ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART
ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART
ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART
Signature is 20706d65 'emp '
Found custom animation at offset 0x9bb34
Tuner: loopback=0, ID=-1
empeg display initialised.
empeg dsp audio initialised
empeg dsp mixer initialised
empeg dsp initialised
empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0
empeg remote control/panel button initialised.
empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012
empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0004200).
empeg RDS driver initialised
empeg power-pic driver initialised
RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size
empeg single channel IDE
Probing primary interface...
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
hdb: IC25N020ATDA04-0, ATA DISK drive
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xffff
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xffff
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaaaa
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5555
hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive
hdb: IC25N020ATDA04-0, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6
hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, 9590MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=19485/16/63
hdb: IC25N020ATDA04-0, 19077MB w/1806kB Cache, CHS=38760/16/63
empeg-flash driver initialized
smc chip id/revision 0x3349
smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu)
SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:28:10:e7
Partition check:
hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 > hda2 hda3 hda4
hdb: hdb1 < hdb5 hdb6 > hdb2 hdb3 hdb4
RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0
RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\done.
EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601)
Press Ctrl-A to enter pump... VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
change_root: old root has d_count=1
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8
I see this is a developer image!
Mounting proc
Mounting first music partition
Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19
Mounting second music partition
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...
Starting player
Timezone: Atlantic/South_Georgia
Hijack: intercepting config.ini
hijack: removed menu entry: "Hard Disk Detection"
hijack: removed menu entry: "Serial Port Assignment"
khttpd: listening on port 80
kftpd: listening on port 21
player.cpp : 385:empeg-car 2.01 2004/07/06.
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1434 Jul 5 2004
Vcb: 0x4086d000
empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 (hugo@empeg.com)
If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now,
or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux!
e000 v1.04
Copying kernel...
Calling linux kernel...
Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kernel.
Linux version 2.2.17-rmk5-np17-empeg52-hijack-v461 (hijack@rtr.ca) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #2 Thu Jun 8 15:00:28 EDT 2006
Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11
Checking for extra DRAM:
c1000000: wrote ffffffff, read e28cc001
NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp.
empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 40104327) 16MB DRAM
Command line: mem=16m
Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS
Memory: 15008k/16M available (988k code, 20k reserved, 364k data, 4k init)
Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k)
Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)
IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli)
Starting kswapd v 1.5
SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled
ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART
ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART
ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART
Signature is 20706d65 'emp '
Found custom animation at offset 0x9bb34
Tuner: loopback=0, ID=-1
empeg display initialised.
empeg dsp audio initialised
empeg dsp mixer initialised
empeg dsp initialised
empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0
empeg remote control/panel button initialised.
empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012
empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0004280).
empeg RDS driver initialised
empeg power-pic driver initialised
RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size
empeg single channel IDE
Probing primary interface...
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xff80
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
ide_data_test: wrote 0x0000 read 0xffff
ide_data_test: wrote 0xffff read 0xffff
ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaaaa
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5555
hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, ATA DISK drive
hdb: IC25N020ATDA04-0, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6
hda: FUJITSU MHM2100AT, 9590MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=19485/16/63
hdb: IC25N020ATDA04-0, 19077MB w/1806kB Cache, CHS=38760/16/63
empeg-flash driver initialized
smc chip id/revision 0x3349
smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu)
SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:28:10:e7
Partition check:
hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 > hda2 hda3 hda4
hdb: hdb1 < hdb5 hdb6 > hdb2 hdb3 hdb4
RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0
RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\done.
EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601)
Press Ctrl-A to enter pump... VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
change_root: old root has d_count=1
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8
I see this is a developer image!
Mounting proc
Mounting first music partition
Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19
Mounting second music partition
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...
Starting player
Timezone: Atlantic/South_Georgia
Hijack: intercepting config.ini
hijack: removed menu entry: "Hard Disk Detection"
hijack: removed menu entry: "Serial Port Assignment"
khttpd: listening on port 80
kftpd: listening on port 21
Edited by booey (29/08/2006 11:00)
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#286135 - 29/08/2006 11:11
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: booey]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Greetings! It is possible for it to read correctly at boot, especially if it is a loose connection or intermittent problem. It looks like both drives were found without any problem, so it might be a connection problem or just a bad database / data issues. Try doing the manual FSCK and database rebuild mentioned above. It might be worthwhile to capture the results of these as well, and post them here if anything looks strange.
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200GB with 48MB RAM, Illuminated Buttons and Digital Outputs
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#286136 - 29/08/2006 11:42
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: pgrzelak]
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Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 113
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I did do the the manual FSCK and database rebuild , but encountered errors. i'll re-run them and capture the output this time..
One other details i forgot to mention is i'm using my IBM thinkpad laptop power supply. Its similarly rated. I was thinking maybe it wasnt spinning up both drives, but i'm not sure.
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#286137 - 29/08/2006 11:47
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: pgrzelak]
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old hand
Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
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ide_data_test: wrote 0xaaaa read 0xaa80
ide_data_test: wrote 0x5555 read 0x5580
On the IDE test, the values read back differ to what was written. Doesn't this suggest a faulty IDE cable or dry joint problems with the header?
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#286138 - 29/08/2006 12:21
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: AndrewT]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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True. And there was the read beyond the end of the device in the original logs too. The bootlog was clean, though. Since the fsck is not, hardware errors could still be there with the cabling.
Edit: Before doing anything else, double check the physical connectors as described in the FAQ entries listed above. Either a header may be loose, a connector may not be crimped or there may be other damage.
Edited by pgrzelak (29/08/2006 12:23)
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#286139 - 29/08/2006 15:21
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: booey]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31607
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Would Emplode still report the 30GB capacity, and hijack show both drives if it was a bad physical drive or connection?
Yes, if the bad physical connection was a partial one, for example, the IDE header had only certain pins lifted, exactly as in the photos in that link we keep telling you to follow and which you haven't yet said you've actually tried to do anything it suggests.
Anyway, those IDE Data Test errors indicate that there is a partial bad connection to the drive. Either cable problems or IDE header problems. I'm sure the actual values written and read could tell us which IDE header pins are lifted (or which corresponding lines on the IDE cable are having a bad connection).
Fix the physical problem first before trying FSCKs. That utility is only useful if there's nothing physical wrong with the drive, and in fact might even be damaging if there is a partial data connection problem as we suspect.
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#286140 - 29/08/2006 15:33
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: pgrzelak]
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Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 113
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Well , it looks like i found the problem or just created a major one , and its not good. i think my Empeg is dead forever now  When removing the Hard drive ribbon cable to the board, the last pin just fell right off. i'm assuming it was already loose, because i was careful with it.. i'm not good at soldering very small things like this. Is my Empeg dead forever now? A pic of it attached..
Edited by booey (29/08/2006 15:34)
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#286141 - 29/08/2006 15:40
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: booey]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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You'll need a whole new header soldered on. That header looks really bad...like it was subjected to high amounts of heat or some pretty serious twisting force. I'd imagine that Stu at Eutronix could solder a new header on pretty easily, but I don't know if there's some other issue that caused your header to melt or break.
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#286142 - 29/08/2006 15:42
Re: Help!! can't upload any more files
[Re: JBjorgen]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
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My guess would be that someone tried to fix it already and ended up melting the header plastic instead of reflowing the solder. Should be easy enough to fix by someone who can solder, and it'll probably fix your entire problem.
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#286143 - 29/08/2006 15:49
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well, im guessing it was just the heat of the car down here in flordia. I bought it brand new, and its never been repaired. I usually keep it under my seat, and its got to be over 100 degrees in the car most days down here. If i can get this fixed by someone, you can be sure its not going back under the seat anymore!
When looking with the naked eye, it does not look that bad really, but that zoomed in pic with a 3.2megpixel camera really shows microscopic details!!.. i cant believe how bad it looked in the pic.
you guys have any ideas on what course of action i should take?
I really appreciate all the help.
Edited by booey (29/08/2006 15:50)
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#286144 - 29/08/2006 16:32
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you guys have any ideas on what course of action i should take?
Eutronix
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#286145 - 29/08/2006 17:37
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#286146 - 29/08/2006 23:15
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The missing pin can be reattached if you still have it.
Otherwise.. a new header, or a new pin from a new header (safer!).
Cheers
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#286147 - 29/08/2006 23:21
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well, im guessing it was just the heat of the car down here in flordia. I bought it brand new, and its never been repaired. I usually keep it under my seat, and its got to be over 100 degrees in the car most days down here.
Before the inside of your car got hot enough to melt the solder on the empeg's mainboard, the upholstery would probably have caught fire and the car would have burned to the ground. Figure 350-400 degrees F to melt it, I think.
tanstaafl.
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#286148 - 30/08/2006 01:15
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Yeah, but the plastic retainer could have deformed at a much lower temperature than that, and if it was the only thing holding the pin down to begin with....
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#286149 - 30/08/2006 04:12
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Yeah, Doug, I don't think anyone was suggesting the heat melted the solder, only warped the plastic connector pieces on the IDE header assembly, thus eventually contributing to the failure of the header (probably from flexing due to the cable being tugged by drive tray movement over a long period of time).
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#286150 - 30/08/2006 16:30
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you guys have any ideas on what course of action i should take?
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Is this a good instance where the longer Eutronix drive ribbon cable should be fitted? (aside from the header repair, that is)
All you guys are just freakin' AWESOME! I just wanted to say that.
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#286152 - 31/08/2006 15:18
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Thanks guys for all the help!
I'm going to ship it to Eutronix, Stu is out of town for a week or so, so gonna ship it to him next week sometime.
I'm thinking I should also have him use all new cables too? just to be safe.
I havent used my empeg much over the last year, but man... now that its dead, i realize how great it is!
Once its revived from the dead, its definitely going back in its Empeg case!!
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#286153 - 31/08/2006 15:33
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The missing pin can be reattached if you still have it.
Otherwise.. a new header, or a new pin from a new header (safer!).
Cheers
I do still have the pin, it would need to be soldered on right?
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#286154 - 31/08/2006 17:54
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[Re: booey]
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I do still have the pin, it would need to be soldered on right?
Right. But *very* carefully, by somebody with good previous experience doing SMT (surface mount tech.) soldering. It is *very* easy to destroy the copper pads on the main PCB by overheating.. And the new pin will need some extra support (epoxy, perhaps) after it has been reconnected.
cheers
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