#292079 - 09/01/2007 16:08
Apple iPhone announced.
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Looks hella cool.
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#292080 - 09/01/2007 16:12
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jbauer]
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Given the restrictions Apple supposedly placed on the development of the Motorola ROKR, I can't imagine why one under their own development would be any better.
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#292081 - 09/01/2007 16:16
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[Re: jbauer]
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#292082 - 09/01/2007 16:18
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Given the restrictions Apple supposedly placed on the development of the Motorola ROKR, I can't imagine why one under their own development would be any better.
Surely they placed those restrictions precisely in order that theirs would be better?
Peter
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#292083 - 09/01/2007 16:20
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[Re: peter]
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Well, the ROKR was released well over a year ago. And someone had intimated to me that there was some fear of copyright issues. Though now that I think back about it, that doesn't really make much sense.
Perhaps you're right.
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#292084 - 09/01/2007 16:38
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Haven't read the price yet. But every major mobile producer in the world making smart phones should be pretty concerned about this little beastie. From Motorola to HTC to...
The phone is a full-fledged iPod and video player. Nokia's recently announced internet tablet N800? Also covered. The iPhone does full internet browsing too.
I'm surprised Apple has release such a swiss army knife product. I think my only complaint at this point is that I wish it had a couple of extra hard buttons that could be used when not looking at the phone (like reaching into your pocket and click click...)
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#292085 - 09/01/2007 16:50
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[Re: wfaulk]
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I've never been a huge fan of apple's products, but this phone looks amazing. I'm gonna drop Nextel and go back to Cingular when this phone is released.
Anyone know when we can go buy this thing?
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#292086 - 09/01/2007 16:54
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: oliver]
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June.
4GB = 499
8GB = 599
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#292087 - 09/01/2007 17:03
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[Re: jbauer]
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I imagine congratulations are in store for a certain BBS member...
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#292088 - 09/01/2007 17:13
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[Re: jbauer]
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This thing looks spectacular but I'm a little pissed that its EDGE. Does that mean EVDO users are screwed? Wifi is great but I'm locked into a 2 year Sprint contract and Sprint doesn't have EDGE.
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#292089 - 09/01/2007 17:16
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jbauer]
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Thinner margins on the 4GB model and much fatter margins on the 8GB model. If this had come in at (an impossible) $399 and if it weren't locked to Cingular, I'm sure they'd see much more than 10M units sold for FY2008.
At $600 it would be a really tough sell on me. I wouldn't feel that comfortable walking around with a CAD$700 gadget in my pocket.
This thing is going to make one hell of a PDA as well. I wonder what they'll do about gaming on it....
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#292090 - 09/01/2007 17:16
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[Re: visuvius]
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it's cingular only anyhow. And yeah... where's Hugo?!
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#292091 - 09/01/2007 17:19
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jbauer]
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It looks like a beautiful device, but putting out a smartphone in june with only EDGE data, only on Cingular, is kind of craptastic. Unless cingular changes their pricing structure, you're going to be paying $80 a month for it, on top of the $500 to get ahold of one.
All that hype. For a better Treo. Mobile computing has come a long ways since the newton, I just don't see calling the iPhone revolutionary.
Matthew
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#292092 - 09/01/2007 17:21
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[Re: loren]
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They've assimilated Hugo into the network that's running the iPhone goodness.
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#292093 - 09/01/2007 17:22
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[Re: hybrid8]
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I'm surprised Apple has release such a swiss army knife product.
I agree, and that's the only problem with the device. I'm not a fan of a portable video player that only gives me 8GB of storage with no expansion options.
That said, it's a much better phone than most of or all of the smartphones out there, although I'm not sure how successfully it will fit into that market.
Also, I think the lack of 3G wireless is a huge mistake for how much they're touting it as an internet device.
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#292094 - 09/01/2007 17:23
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The really compelling things for me:
html email (can you even get that on the Treo? I haven't seen it! I just got a Blackberry Pearl and you can't do it there either! WTF)
true browsing with wifi and edge. The NYT site Steve went to during the keynote looked perfect. I need that. Screw all these mobile friendly web sites - I want the real deal.
video (w/ widescreen to boot) - ok, not that compelling as I'd much prefer to watch that stuff at home, but can you YouTube on it???
form factor / wow factor - jesus, it just looks crisp
Congrats Hugo! Did you work on this?
- Jon
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#292095 - 09/01/2007 17:23
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[Re: matthew_k]
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I'm generally pretty tough sell on gadgets and technology in general. I think Apple did a pretty good job with this product. For a first revision it really kicks the crap out of most everything out there. I can't think of any device in any of the classes this overlaps that is better than it - in only that one class, let alone overall.
I'm surprised Steve didn't mention it has a "chick magnet" built into it.
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#292096 - 09/01/2007 17:37
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[Re: matthew_k]
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It looks like a beautiful device, but putting out a smartphone in june with only EDGE data, only on Cingular, is kind of craptastic. Unless cingular changes their pricing structure, you're going to be paying $80 a month for it, on top of the $500 to get ahold of one.
All that hype. For a better Treo. Mobile computing has come a long ways since the newton, I just don't see calling the iPhone revolutionary.
Matthew
I'm with you, but I don't even know that it's a "better Treo." I can't imagine trying to reliably enter a text message on a "virtual keyboard", even if it's "error correcting." I'm sure the iTunes integration will be flawless, and I'm sure the iCal/iSync stuff will work well, but I don't think the best UI on the planet will keep me from wanting a real keyboard and some more hard buttons. I would love to be proven wrong on this.
Being Cingular-only was more than enough to keep me away from this, but even if it were available on my carrier, I think I'd pass.
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#292097 - 09/01/2007 17:39
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[Re: jbauer]
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html email
HTML email is the tool of the devil. Please do not speak of it again.
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#292098 - 09/01/2007 17:51
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[Re: jbauer]
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html email
Call me a luddite, but I've still never seen the point of html email.
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true browsing with wifi and edge.
Who said anything about wifi? If that's true, I'll be very impressed. AFAIK, edge is the same data rate as 1xRTT on sprint, and every time I'm tethering I know immediatly when my connection drops back to 1xRTT from EVDO.
There was very little depth to the keynote. No one more thing. We got iTV out of the way, and moved on to an hour demo of a smart phone. My powerbook crashed midway through the keynote, perhaps I just slipped out of the RDF for too long for the effect to work.
Matthew
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#292099 - 09/01/2007 17:54
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[Re: jbauer]
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true browsing with wifi and edge. The NYT site Steve went to during the keynote looked perfect. I need that. Screw all these mobile friendly web sites - I want the real deal.
I think that the way the device browses the net is very interesting, but I don't care how well it does it if I'm browsing on dial-up speeds. I don't have 3G on my Treo, and even when I'm browsing mobile-friendly sites it's painfully slow.
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#292100 - 09/01/2007 17:57
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html email
Call me a luddite, but I've still never seen the point of html email.
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true browsing with wifi and edge.
Who said anything about wifi? If that's true, I'll be very impressed. AFAIK, edge is the same data rate as 1xRTT on sprint, and every time I'm tethering I know immediatly when my connection drops back to 1xRTT from EVDO. (snip)
I get a lot of newsletters and stuff that I'd love to read on my PDA. I don't understand the negative view you guys have regarding html in email. Ok, I don't SEND mail using html - I hate it when people do that. But it's nice to have newsletters and notifications in html... What am I not getting?
As far as wifi, see this: http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/wireless.html
802.11b/g
- Jon
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#292101 - 09/01/2007 18:14
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[Re: jbauer]
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html email bad for various reasons... let me see:
text offers security - you have some text and that's it
text is small - using html or having images is just bulk
actually, for me the security is the biggie, so I'll stop now:-)
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#292102 - 09/01/2007 18:19
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html email bad for various reasons... let me see:
text offers security - you have some text and that's it
text is small - using html or having images is just bulk
actually, for me the security is the biggie, so I'll stop now:-)
Yep, I agree with that, but honestly, I've never gotten a virus from an html email... as far as I know. Do you also turn Java off when you browse?
- Jon
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#292103 - 09/01/2007 18:19
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[Re: frog51]
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Wow, you guys are some jaded mofo's to not be excited by how much this thing pushes the envelope. Even if it's not for you and you wouldn't buy one. I mean come on, that thing is a technological marvel. The interface alone...
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#292104 - 09/01/2007 18:27
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[Re: jbauer]
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I get a lot of newsletters and stuff that I'd love to read on my PDA. I don't understand the negative view you guys have regarding html in email. Ok, I don't SEND mail using html - I hate it when people do that. But it's nice to have newsletters and notifications in html... What am I not getting?
Well, think about the reasons you dislike getting HTML email from others. That's why HTML email is bad.
For newsletters etc. that I read via email, there's usually a text-only version. For times where the HTML version is preferable, all I need is a link to the HTML version in the text-only email. Then, it's my CHOICE to change from viewing text (in an email application) to viewing HTML (in a web browser), rather than having the sender decide for me, wasting space in my Inbox in the process.
It comes down to personal preference, of course, and I'll admit it's pretty quixotic to fight this battle with the millions of Outlook and Hotmail users in the world... But I do think the Internet would be a better place if email were limited to text and the occasional non-HTML file attachment.
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#292105 - 09/01/2007 18:34
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[Re: loren]
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I found another dent... The screen is only 320x480 (or 480x320 if you prefer). With a pixel density of 160dpi, that's a physical size of 2x3 inches (any larger and there would be portability issues considering this is primarily a phone). The screen on the otherwise super-fugly Nokia N800 internet tablet thingy is physically larger but a very nice 800x480. The Nokia unit is about 3cm longer and 1.4cm wider and 2 - 7 mm thicker. It would still have been nice to see a 200dpi screen (400x600) on the iPhone. Maybe for the second revision we'll see higher resolution and OLED. Like Loren stated though, impressive. If someone is looking for a $600 phone, this is really hard to pass up. Of course we still have the same crappy provider contracts and ugly monthly bills to keep up with. This thing is a lot sexier than any of the fakes and mockups that were shown/rumored over the past year.
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#292106 - 09/01/2007 18:37
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[Re: jbauer]
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OS X
All the power and sophistication of the world’s most advanced operating system — OS X — is now available on a small, handheld device
Does that thing really run OS X or just some massively cut down distant cousin of OS X ?
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#292107 - 09/01/2007 18:40
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[Re: loren]
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Of course it's impressive; a true technological marvel. But others had already said that and I didn't feel the need to AOL them. The fact is, all of those envelope-pushing aspects need to come together to make a phone that I'll feel comfortable using, and I can't see that happening without a real keyboard. Typing on the ~2 inch keyboard on my Treo is hard at first, but gets a lot easier because the keys are raised. Trying to type on the same size "virtual keyboard" on an iPhone seems like a nightmare that no predictive/corrective input engine can avoid.
This is definitely a good first step, and will force the other manufacturers to innovate pretty quickly. All things being equal, I'd prefer to have an Apple phone in my pocket. I just don't think this is that phone.
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#292108 - 09/01/2007 18:48
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[Re: tonyc]
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Of course it's impressive; a true technological marvel. ... I just don't think this is that phone.
AOL.
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As far as wifi, see this...
Sweet. That certainly makes it better. Cingular has been known to rip wifi out of phones, and I didn't notice it when reading the live updates. That said, affordable 3G data beats the pants of wifi.
Matthew
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