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#305411 - 24/12/2007 22:58 Merry Christmas!
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
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Merry Christmas to you all, dear friends! \:\)
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#305414 - 25/12/2007 00:43 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Taym]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Merry Christmas if you celebrate it. Merry 25th December/Tuesday if you don't \:\)

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#305416 - 25/12/2007 03:42 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: tman]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12341
Loc: Sterling, VA
And Merry Christmas to you as well!

Happy holidays and well wishes to everyone.
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#305420 - 25/12/2007 06:12 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: tman]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
I hope everyone has a great time.

I plan on stuffing my face with as much Turkey as possible, I'm not a bit Christmas person, but I have to say Christmas Dinner is hard to beat \:\)

Cheers

Cris.

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#305421 - 25/12/2007 06:17 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Cris]
music
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Registered: 25/06/2002
Posts: 456
Happy Holidays to all!

Enjoy your feasting and relaxing!

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#305422 - 25/12/2007 08:16 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: music]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
Merry xmas everyone! Looking forward to dinnertime already!
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#305423 - 25/12/2007 10:41 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: andym]
LittleBlueThing
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Registered: 11/01/2002
Posts: 612
Loc: Reading, UK
Merry Christmas all - and the duck is almost done. Mmmm with orange, cranberry and sausagemeat stuffing - best bit ;\)

And in the next few days I'm hoping to start cutting wires and things to get the display extender installed - I like holidays!!!
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#305426 - 25/12/2007 14:45 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
Merry Christmas to everyone!!

(you know, I've felt REALLY weird saying that this year. political correctness has beaten it out of me.)

And have a fun, safe and happy new year!
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#305429 - 25/12/2007 15:20 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: FireFox31]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Yep, I'll add to those Christmas good wishes, now that I've finished off all the traditional courses. The only down side is that I'm denied alcohol for a long time to come after a scare that rushed me in to hospital, in the middle of the night, 10 days back!
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#305438 - 25/12/2007 22:07 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Taym]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
Merry Christmas, everyone!

I celebrated in the following ways:

- Turducken party last Sunday.

- Relaxing with friends and loved ones on Xmas eve, decorating Doctor-who themed gingerbread cookies. On my table is now a fully 3D gingerbread TARDIS (complete with blinking blue LED atop) surrounded by four gingerbread weeping angels.

- On Xmas day today, seeing Sweeney Todd today at the theater with a friend (my second viewing, my friend's first viewing, said friend has an extreme fondness for all broadway musicals and an equal fondness for horror films, needless to say she was thrilled with it, as was I).

- Tonight we shall devour the gingerbread TARDIS while watching the Doctor Who Christmas Special. Also, playing aith a two-foot tall balsa trebuchet that one of my friends got for Xmas.

It's a good year. \:\)

Edit: Oh, and it just snowed here in seattle, a perfect dusting of white for Christmas day. How awesome is that?
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#305439 - 26/12/2007 02:58 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Taym]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
 Originally Posted By: taym
Merry Christmas to you all, dear friends! \:\)


Joyeux Noel a toi aussi, Claudio!

And perhaps you may have a visitor from here later in the New Year (if you like).

Cheers from Canada,

Mark

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#305477 - 27/12/2007 15:56 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Taym]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
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Loc: Seattle transplant
Sorry for the tardy reply, but while away from the board I was with you all in spirit.

I hope everyone enjoyed their gift-giving season.
Happy New Year!
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#305737 - 04/01/2008 15:22 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: mlord]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Originally Posted By: mlord

And perhaps you may have a visitor from here later in the New Year (if you like).

I will surely like, Mark!

And thank you all for your replies. I'm back just now from 10 day-vacation up in the mountains not far from Rome. I't good to be back. My Christmas was far from the internet, which I admit I never like, but surrounded by snow and with a burning fireplace, which I love. smile

So, happy 2008! smile I really hope to have more time to spend posting here, in 2008. We'll see. All I need is a winning lottery ticket, I guess...
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#305741 - 04/01/2008 15:55 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Taym]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Welcome back, Claudio!

Quote:
..surrounded by snow and with a burning fireplace..


Yeah, I know the feeling. We get that a *lot* around here! smile

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#305744 - 04/01/2008 19:24 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Taym]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12341
Loc: Sterling, VA
Originally Posted By: taym
surrounded by snow and with a burning fireplace

That sounds perfect to me. Just give me some hot chocolate and I'm in heaven. Sometimes it's nice to get away from the net and have some peace and quiet. (*gasp* blasphemy! smile )
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#305754 - 05/01/2008 07:49 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Dignan]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Pity we didn't have snow for Christmas itself, but it has been like this for a couple of days, which is nice!

Happy 2008 for everyone!
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#305755 - 05/01/2008 08:39 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: frog51]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
Does the Forester actually behave like a "proper" 4x4 on snow/ice ?

My Scooby has never felt very convincing on snow/ice, presumably thanks to the Eagle F1s.
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#305762 - 05/01/2008 14:34 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: andy]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: andy
Does the Forester actually behave like a "proper" 4x4 on snow/ice ?


It sure does. Feels about the same as the only "proper" (WTF?) 4x4 I've ever driven other than the Forester.

I've also climbed very steep rocky ledges, waded through 20" streams, and slopped through the odd mud hole or three with the scooby. The darned thing just likes to keep on moving.

I do use true winter tyres on it from December to March, though.

Cheers


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#305767 - 05/01/2008 15:30 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: andy]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Quote:
...presumably thanks to the Eagle F1s.

Well sure! Add some Nokian Hakkapeliittas. If far enough north to avoid guilt, studded.
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#305768 - 05/01/2008 15:33 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: boxer]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Originally Posted By: boxer
Yep, I'll add to those Christmas good wishes, now that I've finished off all the traditional courses. The only down side is that I'm denied alcohol for a long time to come after a scare that rushed me in to hospital, in the middle of the night, 10 days back!

I hope you are feeling well and content in 2008, scare-wise. After serious holiday overkill (it wuz the brined, smoked, stuffed pork roasts and the deep-fried turkey whut dun it!) I should sign up for the Boxer Diet.
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#305777 - 05/01/2008 19:06 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: andy]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
I have always found the F1s very bad in the dry or in snow...not bad in the wet, but not a patch on the Bridgestone SOs. My brother (who has a P1) swears by the Kumhos.

My Foz is not really a normal one, so probably can't go off road as well as Mark's, as I think some of that is sacrificed for speed:-)
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#305780 - 05/01/2008 20:19 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: frog51]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Three years ago, my eldest brother died. So my father and next older brother flew in here from the east coast, and we drove the next 500Km together to the funeral, and then back again the same day.

Which coincided with a largish snow storm by local standards -- about 12-15" of fluffy-yet-sticky new snow over the day, with perhaps a 6" depth on some of the secondary highways throughout much of the day. Side streets in towns had more like 12" of it.

I spent much of the drive weaving around stopped/abandoned vehicles of many types, on flats and hills, trying to maintain a decent speed so that we could complete the journey there and back in the time available.

The scooby is the only car I've ever driven that could have done this safely. Much to the amazement of my family, who are used to owning/driving "proper" trucks with 4WD.

The scooby lacks their ground/snow clearance, but makes up for it in its smaller size and greater maneuverability.

And having Hakka's on all four wheels certainly doesn't hurt. smile

Cheers


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#305790 - 06/01/2008 02:06 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: mlord]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
At this time of year, driving down off of Snoqualmie Pass on I-90, it is not uncommon to see vehicles gone ass-over-teakettle off the road. It is remarkable, but my unscientific sampling finds that 4x4 and AWD vehicles -- Jeeps, SUVs, Subarus -- are over-represented down in the ditches. My conclusion is that the folks driving SUVs and Subies too often think that they are somehow not subject to the laws of physics.

All that being said -- and speaking as somebody who has driven all sorts of vehicles on snow, slush and ice for about 40 years -- I can't think of another vehicle that I would rather drive in winter conditions than my Subaru. In the past 5 years I have driven the WRX in a decent number of gravel/mud/slush/ice/snow TSD rallies up in BC and elsewhere and I have been completely wowed by the balance of the Subaru's AWD system. I like to stay out of ditches so I drive somewhat conservatively but I have always been impressed with the Subaru's agility and the ability to power out of near-death "Oops! I am being too much sideways!" situations.

My Hakkas are pretty beat. Might be time to chat with the Kal Tire folks in Cache Creek about some Hakka 4s.
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#305791 - 06/01/2008 02:19 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: frog51]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
We have F1s on all our cars, as they have always impressed me in all conditions except snow and ice. Since we rarely see any snow or ice that isn't much of a problem. But as you say they are very, very poor on snow.

I haven't tried the Bridgestones, but in every detailed tire review the F1s have always come in just behind the Bridgestones in the dry and been significantly better than them in the wet. I will happily trade a little dry performance for much better wet performance...

I had Kumhos on the Scooby when I bought it, I thought they were horrible. Maybe they weren't the same Kumhos as he is using though (as I know some Ultima owners who use Kuhmos that are effectively race slicks for the road).

Do you not invest in winter tyres ? I would have thought it was worthwhile living in Scotland ?
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#305793 - 06/01/2008 07:57 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: andy]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
I know a couple of folks who do use winter tyres, but they live well up in the highlands, with long dirt tracks up mountainsides to their homes.

Even when Aviemore was closed a couple of years ago due to snow (with the family and I stuck in a hotel in Aviemore) we were the first car that could leave as the roads were cleared. And this was the Impreza with Bridgestones. Okay, so it took an hour or two longer to get home, but even without the high/low ratio selector that you get on the non-WRX or STI spec Scoobs you can get safely through an awful lot of nastiness as long as you take it steady.

Andy - I'll check which Kumhos Craig has on the P1 (he's coming round later) and I agree on the F1s - which is why I have them on the Impreza as it is now Claire's car. I just don't like their grip level when near the limit. Bridgestones always held a lot longer and had a gentle breakaway, whereas F1s have a more snappy break at lower force.
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#305794 - 06/01/2008 08:20 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: jimhogan]
julf
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Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Originally Posted By: jimhogan
Add some Nokian Hakkapeliittas. If far enough north to avoid guilt, studded.


Are they still around? I swore by studded Hakkapeliittas back in Finland 20 years ago, when they still were "Nokia" and not "Nokian" ("Nokian" meens from or by Nokia, they had to change the name after the management buyout from the now-mobile-phone company). And yes, I know that they are not the same tires as 20 years ago smile

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#305795 - 06/01/2008 12:02 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: frog51]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
The biggest problem I have found with F1s and snow is braking. Obviously you avoid braking if at all possible on snow with unsuited tires. But as soon as you find you have to break on the F1s they turn into ice skates, no matter how gently you apply the brakes if you aren't going absolutely dead straight then you're headed to the kerb in a sideways slide.

Having ABS that you can't switch off doesn't help.

Still, at least the Scooby on F1s deals with snow better that the MX-5 on F1s does. Every roundabout ends up being taken with the car at 70 degress from the direction of travel, whether you like it or not.
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#305801 - 06/01/2008 15:12 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: julf]
jimhogan
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Originally Posted By: julf
Originally Posted By: jimhogan
Add some Nokian Hakkapeliittas. If far enough north to avoid guilt, studded.


Are they still around? .....

Well, heck, yes. In the US, you might have to look around a bit, but I got mine at a very typical tire outlet (Les Shwab) and they had some in stock when last I was in the store. In Canada, Kal Tire keeps stock (a compatriot got a couple off the shelf in Inuvik, NWT after shredding a couple in a crevice in the McKenzie River).

I have 5 studded Hakka 1s with some life left. I'll put them on next weekend to go north for a little MLK holiday lake driving....and then take 'em off the weekend after I get back. Studs are still legal here November to April but the stud ruts on sections of Interstate 5 are profound, so I can't keep 'em on the car for long without severe guilt.

Studded of unstudded, though, the Hakkas are awesome combination snow/slush/gravel/mud tires.
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#305812 - 06/01/2008 18:22 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: andy]
frog51
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Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Andy - seems like it is the latest Kumho Ecstas which are good. The older ones were 'pants' apparently:-) Been for a good hoon in the P1 and on very wet reoundabouts it digs right in. It will get the tail out with some prompting, but only under inducement!
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#305813 - 06/01/2008 18:47 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: frog51]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
The retailer TireRack tends to have pretty good reviews of a large number of tires. Yeah, it's a US retailer, but I imagine that the same models are sold worldwide.
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#305815 - 06/01/2008 19:31 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: wfaulk]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
+1 for TireRack reviews.
Unfortunately, it's not like NewEgg reviews where the level of expertise is profound. Still, it's good to have some form of feedback on tires one may know next to nothing about.
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#305863 - 08/01/2008 15:23 Re: Merry Christmas! [Re: Robotic]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
An update on Foresters in snow (cheeky threadjack again - sorry)

Subaru Forester Owners Forum

and an amusing video of one on ice
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