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#313573 - 04/09/2008 01:49 Statistics don't lie...
tonyc
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#313577 - 04/09/2008 06:22 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: tonyc]
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40% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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#313580 - 04/09/2008 11:07 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: Roger]
hybrid8
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Originally Posted By: Roger
40% of statistics are made up on the spot.


That's just the average belief of 3 out of 5 people.

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#313582 - 04/09/2008 11:14 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: hybrid8]
mlord
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Don't be so mean about it. I think I'll just stay on the median for this one.

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#313593 - 04/09/2008 14:20 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: Roger]
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Originally Posted By: Roger
40% of statistics are made up on the spot.

...and in other news, 50% of our schoolchildren are performing at below average levels.
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#313595 - 04/09/2008 14:41 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: Robotic]
tfabris
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Originally Posted By: Robotic
...and in other news, 50% of our schoolchildren are performing at below average levels.


What's funny is that one of the articles actually points out that such kinds of statistic usually look *even worse* than that when they really aren't. (It's in lesson 4: averages.) I'll bet that if you really looked at the statistical data, the real statement could be made into something like "70% of our schoolchildren are performing at below average levels". Read the article and you'll see what I mean. He gives a couple of good examples in the article, but the funny one is: "most people have an above average number of feet".
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#313597 - 04/09/2008 14:50 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: tfabris]
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True, but in the case of a reasonably large, reasonably well distributed sample set, like performance of schoolchildren, that statement is tautologically absurd the vast majority of the time.
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#313654 - 05/09/2008 04:04 Re: Statistics don't lie... [Re: tfabris]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
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Originally Posted By: tfabris
Originally Posted By: Robotic
...and in other news, 50% of our schoolchildren are performing at below average levels.


What's funny is that one of the articles actually points out that such kinds of statistic usually look *even worse* than that when they really aren't. (It's in lesson 4: averages.) I'll bet that if you really looked at the statistical data, the real statement could be made into something like "70% of our schoolchildren are performing at below average levels". Read the article and you'll see what I mean. He gives a couple of good examples in the article, but the funny one is: "most people have an above average number of feet".


Too True, I ran across a NY reality website a couple days ago. The kind that specializes in multimillion co-ops that overlook Central Park.

A couple of the local stats were:
Avg Income $140k (sum$/folks)
Median Income $83k (amount 1/2 of folks make more or less than)

I don't think I had quite internalized the difference. Usually only one or the other is quoted depending on the spin desired.

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