#319498 - 18/02/2009 15:23
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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did at test with the ohm meter... when i do pres shift there is a short between the 2 contacts on the jack... so the stalk works 100% as it should... now wonder what it could be... maybe a short somewhere in the tuner? it's one of those from PCA Ahh.. good point. Yeah, the fault could be in there. I suppose it *must* be in the tuner, even. ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif) The obvious thing to do is to ensure that there are no shorts between the three pins of the stalk jack in the tuner. There should be lots of resistance measured between (any two of) the three pins when the stalk is not connected. Most likely pins 1,2 are shorted, which would make it appear that the shift button is being pressed. Also, when the tuner is powered ON, pin 1 of the jack should measure close to +5V at no load. Measure that between pin 1 and pin 2 (GND). Alternatively, with power OFF, check for about 4-5Kohms resistance between pin 1 and the +5V pins in the tuner. -ml
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#319499 - 18/02/2009 15:29
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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Actually, I suppose it's probably a short in the wiring of the actual stalk jack -- on a PCATS tuner this is an external jack, at the end of a small cable, right? (Factory tuners have the jack built-in).
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#319503 - 18/02/2009 16:16
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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on a PCATS tuner this is an external jack, at the end of a small cable, right? yep... i have yet to do the testing you said...
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#319504 - 18/02/2009 16:21
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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Actually, I suppose it's probably a short in the wiring of the actual stalk jack -- on a PCATS tuner this is an external jack, at the end of a small cable, right? For reference, on a properly wired PCATs stalk cable, BLUE is pin-1. hmm... there is 3 colors... blue, red, orange... but in the big white box they do not tell where orange goes at the jack end
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#319505 - 18/02/2009 16:32
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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It goes to the only pin that doesn't already have a wire (blue or red) on it.
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#319507 - 18/02/2009 16:37
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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it says twin core screened wire... so i guess there should only be 2 wires, hence only 2 colours... and then the screen...
the screen goes to the pin in the middle....
just getting confused here
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#319508 - 18/02/2009 16:44
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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Ah, yeah, one wire leftover then.
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#319509 - 18/02/2009 16:51
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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just did a check up... there is no orange on my cable... but instead of orange the screen is used....
just have to messure the voltage
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#319511 - 18/02/2009 17:08
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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here it goes... useing the picture above as reference...
there is 5 volt between orange and red...
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#319512 - 18/02/2009 17:09
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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Check for shorts first, between any two of the three contacts.
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#319513 - 18/02/2009 17:13
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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oki.. back in 5 min or so... damn dark outside.. and no flaslight
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#319514 - 18/02/2009 17:23
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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well .... a short between the screen and the blue... just got it in for a better check
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#319515 - 18/02/2009 17:38
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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well .... a short between the screen and the blue... just got it in for a better check Most likely pins 1,2 are shorted, which would make it appear that the shift button is being pressed. Good. Fix that, and your shift function will work correctly. ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif)
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#319516 - 18/02/2009 18:15
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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yepp.. you are right... works like a champ... but i thing the pins that connects the 2 boards has come loose... it cant lock to any station...
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#319518 - 18/02/2009 18:37
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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well... if i use the seek function it does not lock to anything... but if i take a preset it's ok... cant remember how to store the best stations automaticly tho but thanks for alle the help mark... what would the empegs be without your support ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif)
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#319525 - 18/02/2009 20:47
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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Good. My apologies for taking so long to sort this one out. As soon as you said "PCATS tuner" I should have remembered the external stalk jack and directed you to check that first. Getting rusty, I guess. ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif)
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#319526 - 18/02/2009 20:51
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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My favourite way to "tune" the tuner, is to use Hijack's knobseek magic "button". It's normally available from the Hijack PopUp0 menu: go into the main hijack menu, and assign PopUp0 to the (short) Knob Press Definition.
Then, tap (short press) the knob, and rotate it until KnobSeek appears, and tap it again to select. Now, the knob is a manual tuning dial, just like on a normal radio.
If you like it, you can use ir_translate to assign KnobSeek to one of the stalk buttons. This way, a press of that button will activate it, and twisting the stalk will tune forward/backward.
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#319531 - 19/02/2009 06:37
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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no problem mate...
i read the manual for the player.. no section for the tuner
but is there a way to store all stations automatic?
and way cant it "scan" from one station to the next? it just scans forever.... because the stalk debug etc. is stil in the ini ?
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#319533 - 19/02/2009 11:54
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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I think the tuner scan function is broken in some versions of the firmware -- not sure which, though.
But you can manually tune to the stations you like, and save them as "tuner presets" through the menu system: Menu -> Radio -> Store .... After that, the Prev/Next buttons (or Left/Right on the front panel, will jump between the saved presets.
-ml
Edited by mlord (19/02/2009 11:56)
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#319534 - 19/02/2009 12:18
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: mlord]
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Scan doesn't work in 2.0 Final and 2.01 Final. The last 2.x release that tuner scan works in is 2 beta 13. As far as I can remember, tuner scan works in all v3 releases.
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#319535 - 19/02/2009 12:41
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: robricc]
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yeah it must be broken
i use the latest alpha... delevoper version
but i can live with it... and the stalk is awesome compared to the remote and steeringwhell remotes
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#319536 - 19/02/2009 13:42
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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the stalk it not just awesome.... it's freaking awesome when you have just spend 5 min with it... a shame that they did not get some oem's with the empeg logo
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#319544 - 19/02/2009 15:18
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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well... if i use the seek function it does not lock to anything... but if i take a preset it's ok... Scan doesn't work in 2.0 Final and 2.01 Final. The last 2.x release that tuner scan works in is 2 beta 13. Yup, that's a known issue (with a workaround), and everything is now working as expected.
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#319546 - 19/02/2009 17:32
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: tfabris]
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well.. doing it manually is ok... but sometimes it's more handy that it's true auto scan to the next station.. and rolling back just for that would be rather stupid from my point of wiev...
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#319547 - 19/02/2009 17:46
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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could i roll back... store the stations.. and then go to 3alpha11 without loosing presets?
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#319548 - 19/02/2009 17:48
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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never mind.... i just found a complete list of stations within 80 km... more than plenty
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#319556 - 19/02/2009 20:02
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: Boelle]
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the stalk it not just awesome.... it's freaking awesome when you have just spend 5 min with it... a shame that they did not get some oem's with the empeg logo I've always found the manufacturer-supplied steering wheel controls much easier to get on with. The Sony stalk looks like an unsightly afterthought in most cars.
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#319559 - 19/02/2009 20:14
Re: how "stalk" works?
[Re: andym]
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whell.. sadly peugeot did not think that far when they made the 106 in 1994... so i have placed the stalk at the right side just´between the arm for the windscren wiper and the dash... not much room but just enough to make it practical
at first it ver wierd to use.. but when you first get the hang of it there are no problems....
i have a pioneer steeringwheel remote... but it will go in a week... only keeping it as a backup until the Girlfriend has learned the stalk
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