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#362019 - 16/06/2014 21:22 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: mlord]
K447
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Registered: 29/05/2002
Posts: 798
Loc: near Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: mlord
Originally Posted By: K447
Powering down the entire house will also


He's already done that (see above).
But has not done a breaker by breaker isolation yet.
As suggested previously, I was suggesting powering down every breaker, then only energizing one circuit at a time until the sound occurs. Keeping most of the house unpowered reduces background noise, perhaps allowing a more precise characterization of the sound and perhaps the source.

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#362020 - 16/06/2014 22:06 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12341
Loc: Sterling, VA
I'll try that sometime. I'm still not sure it'll help very much because, like most of the breaker boxes I've ever lived with, mine is horribly labeled. I replaced a light switch last week and it took me 7 tries to find the right breaker. I might be surprised, though. If the lights go out in the bathroom and I still hear the noise, it'll tell me that it's not in the bathroom. Although if it is something in the bathroom, I'm not sure what it would be...
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#362022 - 16/06/2014 22:39 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
If you go through the process of powering down every breaker, you can take the opportunity to label them more clearly. smile

I'm still really curious as to what it is. It *sounds* like a pump of some kind to me. But you said you were sure that your house doesn't have a pump to keep the water pressure up on the third floor.
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#362024 - 17/06/2014 02:27 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: tfabris]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12341
Loc: Sterling, VA
Originally Posted By: tfabris
If you go through the process of powering down every breaker, you can take the opportunity to label them more clearly. smile

Ha! True. The tough part there is in knowing exactly what is getting turned off/on. Sometimes it seems like an outlet in one breaker actually belongs to another one. It'll be a bit of a chore depending on how detailed I want to get smile But you're absolutely right. This might be worth the effort alone.

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I'm still really curious as to what it is. It *sounds* like a pump of some kind to me. But you said you were sure that your house doesn't have a pump to keep the water pressure up on the third floor.

We don't have anything for water pressure, but we have a valve in the wall for our shower. It's an electronic one that's controlled by a digital panel. I've never fully eliminated this valve as a suspect, but I know exactly where it is in the wall, and if I put my ear directly next to it the sound isn't any louder.
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#362025 - 17/06/2014 04:46 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
larry818
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Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 1039
Loc: Fullerton, Calif.
Do you have any line voltage smoke detectors?

My Panasonic IP phone makes a similar noise. I can only sometimes notice it.

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#362026 - 17/06/2014 05:18 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
Quote:
we have a valve in the wall for our shower. It's an electronic one that's controlled by a digital panel.


Yeah, highly suspect. smile
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#362029 - 17/06/2014 09:01 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Dignan
we have a valve in the wall for our shower. It's an electronic one that's controlled by a digital panel. I've never fully eliminated this valve as a suspect, but I know exactly where it is in the wall, and if I put my ear directly next to it the sound isn't any louder.

The only (ONLY!) way to know for sure, is to turn off the breaker that provides power to that valve, and then see if you can still hear the noise.

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#362033 - 17/06/2014 16:22 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
Only if that valve is the only thing on that breaker.
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#362034 - 17/06/2014 17:00 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: tfabris]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
I don't really understand ; finding the correct breaker will still not tell you what is actually causing the sound, will it? Especially not if you don't know where the circuits run throughout the house.
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#362036 - 17/06/2014 19:39 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: BartDG]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12341
Loc: Sterling, VA
Originally Posted By: Archeon
I don't really understand ; finding the correct breaker will still not tell you what is actually causing the sound, will it? Especially not if you don't know where the circuits run throughout the house.

I don't think you're wrong. I guess the idea is that it's one more piece of data, and more data is always helpful. This would at least tell me for sure if the noise is caused by something that's on the same circuit as the stuff in my bathroom. If it isn't, then that's useful information. If it is...then I'm not sure what to do smile
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#362037 - 17/06/2014 20:07 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
K447
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Registered: 29/05/2002
Posts: 798
Loc: near Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Dignan
Originally Posted By: Archeon
I don't really understand ; finding the correct breaker will still not tell you what is actually causing the sound, will it? Especially not if you don't know where the circuits run throughout the house.

I don't think you're wrong. I guess the idea is that it's one more piece of data, and more data is always helpful. This would at least tell me for sure if the noise is caused by something that's on the same circuit as the stuff in my bathroom. If it isn't, then that's useful information. If it is...then I'm not sure what to do smile
Once you know what circuit is powering the noise source, you start pulling wiring connections in that circuit apart until you identify the single device that is the actual source.

Always leave the White and bare ground wires connected within the electrical boxes. Disconnect the selected power wire (typically black, sometimes red) with the breaker turned off. Then engage breaker, determine what has been disconnected (no longer has power) and whether the sound has changed.

Disconnect breaker again before inserting fingers or tools into the electrical box.

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#362038 - 17/06/2014 21:13 Re: Identify that noise! [Re: Dignan]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
Easier to just run around with a pluggable lamp in hand, going from outlet to outlet to trace most of the circuit, and using wall switches for most everything else.

Nothing is permitted to be "hidden" by code, so it all should be doable without raising the level of competency/risk required.

Cheers

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