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#48603 - 30/11/2001 20:41 Exotic Wood CNC Facia
CruzThs
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Here are pictures of the first CNC Facia cut in exotic wood. This wood is called Zebrawood and it's from Africa. I stained it using a walnut oil finish. The block of wood the facia is sitting on is what it looks like before getting cut and stained. I must say I'm getting better and better at cutting because this one is very smooth. I even remembered to cut the recess in the back for the lens. I have about 5 other types of exotic woods I'll be cutting examples from over the next couple weeks. With the holidays my time in the machine shop is going to be limited.


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#48604 - 30/11/2001 20:42 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
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Another View


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#48605 - 30/11/2001 20:43 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
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Here's the backside with the recess for the lens. As you can see it is unfinished wood.


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#48606 - 30/11/2001 21:07 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
Terminator
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Impressive work. Thanks for the pics!

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#48607 - 30/11/2001 21:24 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
CruzThs
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OK.. I had to put it on my Empeg. I actually like it better than the aluminum one.


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#48608 - 30/11/2001 22:09 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
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(Jaw free-falls, hits floor, rebounds into place) Oooooo, that is sweet...Let us know when you're taking orders for the wood ones.
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#48609 - 30/11/2001 22:10 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
tonyc
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That looks so sweet, but SOOOO inappropriate in my 1999 Mustang with dark grey interior. Sadly, the thing that matches my interior most is... the stock Empeg fascia. Sigh.
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#48610 - 30/11/2001 23:55 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
hybrid8
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The current fascia design lends itself really well to the wooden texture. It's got a very retro look - to the point where I also agree it looks much better in wood.

An aluminum piece (esp. CNC) lends itself far better to a simpler design. Something with a "monumental" approach (that's something that is big/bold without small details to detract from the overall look). Unfortunately the stock design has the small details that, IMO, just don't give it the right punch.

Like so many others, a wooden fascia would look totally unappropriate in my Integra. It might be passable if I had some other wooden trim, like perhaps a shifter knob, or even if it were alone. Unfortunately, my Clarion head unit is also milled aluminum. :) It would look great in one of my parent's cars or my little brother's... (A couple of Mercedes, including a 1956 190SL and my bro's Lincoln Towncar).

Bruno
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#48611 - 01/12/2001 00:25 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: hybrid8]
CruzThs
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You have to remember, there are many types of wood and wood stains. I didn't think the wood was going to look good in my PT Cruiser (all silver trim) but I think it looks great.

I have some purple wood (yes, it's actually purple) that I'm going to machine next.

I might even go ahead an try some clear acrylic.

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#48612 - 01/12/2001 01:03 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
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I was looking for some other exotic woods when I stumbled upon this remarkably creepy selection of products. [shudder] Who exactly needs this (latter) sort of material on hand?
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#48613 - 01/12/2001 03:09 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
TommyE
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This is really nice work, I must say.

TommyE

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#48614 - 01/12/2001 03:42 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
thinfourth2
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now how would it look with this


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#48615 - 01/12/2001 03:57 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
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That looks really nice Rob. I think I also agree that it looks better than the original. But like others have said I don't think it would look right in my car (BMW 520 Black & Grey interior). Now my old Jag that I used to have - that's a different story. It would look good in my 1967 Daimler Sovereign but that's a very long term restoration project so I think that's out too.

Oh and I pleased you remembered the recess in the back for the lens this time .
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#48616 - 01/12/2001 11:44 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: beaker]
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GREAT GREAT GREAT ....

Orders for Christmas ?
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#48617 - 01/12/2001 22:50 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
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Yes I'll take a purpleheart wood and a clear one.
Excellent work!

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#48618 - 02/12/2001 16:39 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: tonyc]
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ynot,

NICE car. I got a 2000 gt vert. and your right the stock plate matches the interior perfectly!

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#48619 - 03/12/2001 02:19 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: CruzThs]
Dava
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The result looks great but I too am not a big wood fan. However, your work did prompt me to get my dremmel out so for the rest of the metalic boys, here is a pic of the spray and abraision job I did to suit my forthcoming WRX.


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#48620 - 03/12/2001 06:43 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: Dava]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Hey, I've got a WRX, how'd you do that?
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#48621 - 03/12/2001 08:01 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Dava
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First revove the black facia and spray with a suitable colour spray, then a clear laquer. Remove the hadle and dremel all the black powder off, then finish with some fine emery cloth in a single direction to get the brushed look. Then spray the knob/buttons with a nice aluminium colour and laquer.

About an hours work excluding drying time.
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#48622 - 03/12/2001 09:00 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: Dava]
hybrid8
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What dremmel bit did you use for best results?

I was going to do the same thing to mine. But, I'm also going to go a couple of steps beyond in the fascia. I'll post pics when I'm done. Of course I should concentrate on finishing up the install first. :)

Also, can you recommend a good silver paint? I was going to either to to a hobby store to get something used on models or to a craft store to get the kind people normally use for creating the silver antique look. I've had nothing but bad experience with silver paint from the local automotive-type store.

Bruno
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#48623 - 03/12/2001 09:18 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: hybrid8]
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I found that the sanding cylinders on the rubber wheel thing worked well at removing the black powder coat. The PITA bit is the left hand side end of the aerofoil detail.

I used car spray from the local Halfords for the facia, Ford Nimbus grey I think. I have never had problems with these on plastics (funny, I used to spray everything in black satin, now I spray everything silver ???). I do think that the laquer is most important though. I did not do a coat on my first try and the paint rubbed off after a few months..... We will see how this one lasts.

I believe that you can get a special primer for plastics (for bumpers/wing mirrors etc.) but I have never used it. Anyone else ?
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#48624 - 03/12/2001 11:29 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: silvercas]
tonyc
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Yeah I love my Stang but now that winter is coming, I'm not going to like it so much. I need to find a good set of snow tires before the winter weather starts.
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#48625 - 03/12/2001 22:07 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: Dava]
hybrid8
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I've used primer for plastics when doing the cowling on my SeaDoo. Didn't make a huge difference. Of course I also did like 12-15 coats of paint - and lots of wet sanding.

Did you do anything to the stock cap bolts? Paint them, replace them, etc?

One of the things I've been thinking about doing is removing the pattern around the bolts. I'd need to get replacement bolts that had a smaller head or I suppose I could grind a mm or so off the current ones.

When I paint my fascia, I'm going to try for a horizontal pattern to make it look like it's been machined. So I may just use two different silver paints in combination. We'll see how it works out on a test piece of plastic first. For now I'll be leaving the buttons - they'll probably match well.

The trickiest part is going to be changing the roundness of the opening in the fascia and then filling in the divet on the left of the handle. Since I'm going to gring the powder coat off it's going to be hard to hide the filled area...

Oh, and for yn0t... Winter tires: NOKIAN if you want the best.
Bruno
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#48626 - 04/12/2001 02:34 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: hybrid8]
Dava
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For the facia bolts I just put them in the dremmel (they fit perfectly) and "pushed" them into some fine emery paper. This removed all of the black coating and gave a nice shiny finish. I should probably laquer them as well as they are probably mild steel and prone to rusting over time. However, to take them out and do the same again would be 10 mins work.

I use this epoxy putty called Hard and Fast for many things and this should be good for your handle filling. It has a grey and black portion with a platicine type of texture which when mixed, set in about 15 minutes and can be filed to shape. If you are going for the complete aluminium look, you will probably have to coat the whole handle again to cover this up.
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#48627 - 05/12/2001 10:42 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: Dava]
hybrid8
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I am using a similar epoxy putty. It's dark green and white. I've also seen it in brown and white and a couple of other colours. I use it for my jetski - it was sold in a marine-craft package. But it's the same stuff also sold for use in some pet stores for attaching rocks, etc. Very sticky and cures extremely hard.

I have filled in the spaces on the left of the fascia, created a new curve on the left, removed the raised and dotted circles from around the bolts and also removed the arch from the circular surround for the rotating knob. Looks good so far (well, it looks like a disaster of white spackle on black plastic, but I'm looking forward to when I have it completely sanded and primed. :)

I will grind the tops of the bolts by fitting them into the dremmel (thanks for the suggestion) and I'll also be drilling out the holes for them a little bit - so they sit deeper and flush with the face. If need be I will shorten their length.

I've also dropped the display so that the fascia nearly touches the handle - you can't see through the space to the silver of the dock. I had to sand/grind the bottom of the outside of the facia to make it easy to open/close the handle (after dropping the position it was getting stuck). Incidentally, I had to do this to properly fit the empeg along with my Clarion head unit. The Clarion has a bid silver plastic surround and this wouldn't allow the empeg to fully insert into its dock. I also had to carve down the top and bottom of this surround for optimal fit into my dash. Seems like the Integra is only "approximately" double-din. And only when the inside lip of the dash opening is trimmed away.

I'm going to prime the fascia in black "bumper" spray paint. I've used this brand for a while now, it's excellent on plastics. I'll then do the finishing with a silver paint. I'm going to try my hardest to get some horizontal streaks into the fnish to match the Clarion machined aluninum.

I was going to wait on this, but I got a little ansy last night while watching some TV and decided to break out the dremmel and epoxy.

I'll see if I can post some pics of the work in progress tonight.

Bruno
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#48628 - 05/12/2001 12:08 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: hybrid8]
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In reply to:

... and I'll also be drilling out the holes for them a little bit ...



I'm sure you already know this but when you drill these deeper be very careful that the drill doesn't try to 'screw' itself all the way out of the other side. Because of the through hole there will be very little resistance to the drill. Sorry if I'm teaching my Granny to suck eggs here.
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#48629 - 05/12/2001 13:53 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: beaker]
hybrid8
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I know exactly what you're talking about. But thanks for the message anyway, just in case someone else tried it without that extra care. I'll be using my drill press and will have the depth locked. The fascia will be clamped to the press.

I would consider modifying only the bolts to make them fit better, but it would require grinding off too much of the head. So much that it might not leave very much depth for the hex driver afterwards. So in the end there will be a bit of both. A bit drilled out of the hole and a bit ground off the bolt.

Bruno

/edit/ Here's an image of the semi-rough application of the epoxy.


Edited by hybrid8 (05/12/2001 18:50)
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#48630 - 06/12/2001 12:34 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: hybrid8]
eternalsun
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Hey, that's quite nice! I wonder though, if there are any left hand drive viewing issues for the far left of the screen due to the clearance of the new piece you added.

Calvin

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#48631 - 06/12/2001 22:00 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: eternalsun]
hybrid8
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I suspect it will block a little bit more when viewed from the extreme left. I can adjust this by sanding a bit more of course. The optimal design for viewing would be to eliminate the curve on that side completely.

Here are a couple of pics after some sanding and a thin coat of black paint as a primer.

Bruno


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#48632 - 06/12/2001 22:02 Re: Exotic Wood CNC Facia [Re: hybrid8]
hybrid8
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And on the empeg....


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