Yes, I will crush oppresive empeg. Empeg bully mp3 market for years. Empeg's visuals are forbidden in Islam. I kill empeg. Great prophets in Koran foresaw coming of empeg. Death to empeg!!! I plant micro explosives in empeg devices. Empegs will self-destruct next Ramadan!

ps- Can someone tell me more on this Hijack device?

ps- Can someone tell me more on this Hijack device?

You went to all the hassle of creating this account and posting just so you could use that one line, didn't you

Rob

This is an obvious troll. I vote that we don't get into a big philisophic debate about this poster, his message, or anything else. Let it die - it's a suitable end to it.

- Jon

Let it die like empeg I say!!! Islam will not tolerate such players. Empeg stole technology from Neo. They trampled on sacred Neo land!!

Allah Hoo !!!!

Saik akheban Taulai !!!

This is an obvious troll.

No, it's an obvious joke. Funny as hell. Look at his profile. Haven't laughed this hard since JC was around.

Great, now that we obviously have the FBI "keyworded" into our forum, maybe we can covince them to buy a thousand MK3's for their G-rides.

I'm not religious, but putting Osama Bin Laden on the same level as Jesus Christ is wrong.

No one ever said they were on the same level. These are jokes, not statements.

JC jokes and dog poop jokes exist, doesn't make them equal too..

Guys, chill. Can you not see the smiley after my statement?

Empeg jihad no joke. Allah tell me all empeg must die. Allah tell me empeg be burn to ash, then sheiks must snort ash to get vision on future jihad.

Making fun of Osama - I have no problem with that and in fact encourage it. But at Islam's expense? - No. Bin Laden has already done the world a disservice by misrepresenting the Muslim religion. I think we are above actually helping him more.

No doubt it's a joke Tony, but it's in poor taste. And you know it doesn't belong in the general forum of this BBS.

I don't find it particularly funny, and I have a much wider sense of humour than most people. I do find it a bit offensive. Mostly stupid though.

Bruno

Different people have different senses of humor, I guess. Personally, I laughed my ass off.

Hey, what's that at the bottom of the toilet? Oh, it's the empeg bbs. Thanks everyone for not caring.

//m

You know, the best way to deal with this nit-wit is to totally ignore him. I think someone already suggested that we just let it drop...like way up top. Sounds good to me.

Thank you, let's leave the trolls back on slashdot, where it's obvious that they don't care. I don't know, it could have been a bit funny if done right, but it's right at the maturity level of dead baby jokes now.

This is one that bothers me, as a grammar Nazi.

• Islam (n) - a religion whose deity is Allah; also the civilization centered around the Islamic faith
• Islamic (adj) - of or relating to Islam
• Muslim (n) - a person who is an adherent of Islam

Sorry to bring it up, but everybody seems to misuse the terms. Probably because even journalists get it wrong, who we (at least used to) acknowledge as excellent grammarians.

Perhaps someday if someone in your family is killed in cold blood for something they had nothing to do with we can get together. You can preted to be Bin Laden and I can pretend to be the guy who took your family away from you and we can have a great laugh together.

Sounds fun doesn't it?

even sillier than all of this is that one of Osama's sons has copyrighted 'Bin Laden'. Apparently he wants to release a clothing label with it.

I thought it was a good joke, albeit in poor taste. Like Space Shuttle Challenger jokes, Irish jokes, Aboriginal jokes, Kiwi jokes, religious jokes etc.

Can you disable his account or would that be too severe?

> Can you disable his account or would that be too severe?

I think he got the picture and quit already.

Myself, I thought it was funny, in limited quantities. But then again I rarely get offended by anything.

even sillier than all of this is that one of Osama's sons has copyrighted 'Bin Laden'. Apparently he wants to release a clothing label with it.

I heard the story differently. What I heard is that one of the members of his family already long-since owned a clothing business under that name, and that distributors in some european countries are choosing not to carry the line because the name has suddenly become a problem. I don't know which version of the story is correct.

This is a similar situation to the relatives of Adolf Hitler changing their names after the second world war. Yes, he has descendants living in the United States under new family names.

Oh, and by the way, the word in that case is "trademark" not "copyright". There's a difference.

People who get offended by something like this offend me. Bin Laden isn't really much of an extremist. He is actually doing what the Koran says. It's an evil religion. I also think that any foreign GUESTS should be sent home. They're not all guilty, but as a whole they've overstayed their welcome.

By the way, I'm going to found a church called the politically correct church and PC will be the religion. That way, hardcore seperation of church and state advocates will realize how idiotic they are.

I also think that any foreign GUESTS should be sent home. They're not all guilty, but as a whole they've overstayed their welcome.

I will give you the benifit of the doubt and assume by "guests" you mean people living in the US who are not seeking citizenship.

Are you a Native American? If not then I suggest YOU go home to your ancestors, because you've overstayed YOUR welcome, sport.

He's a "journeyman" and I am still a "stranger". It is too bad there is no way to take into account the quality of posts when assigning those titles rather than just quantity.

No, but I was born in the USA. It is a privledge for foreigners to come into my country. And frankly, I don't think they should be here. Did you know most of the hijackers were here legally?

Here's my opportunity to be politically incorrect. Remember I'm one of the people that didn't agree with the Bin Laden jokes to begin with. So take my following words with a grain of salt, but they're not intended as a joke or to poke any type of fun or make light of the events of last September... (This last part was to everyone reading except the individual I'm actually following up to).

Most of the hijackers probably contributed more to the USA than you have.

I'm of course talking about funds put into the economy, taxes, etc. Because you were born in a particular country may give you rights as a citizen, but it doesn't mean you're not one of its burdens. The worst criminals in the US, convicted or still on the streets, and most of the other "undesirables" you can think of, are born US citizens. Congratulations. You're so eLiTe. US prisons and jails aren't filled to capacity because your governments like holding on to the citizens of other countries. It's because you have nowhere to dump the trash you breed in your own backyards.

The Usama posts were meant as a very tongue-in-cheek joke, though badly timed and in poor taste. You're just talking out of your arse though. I don't live in the US, but it's people talking the crap that I've seen you just write, that would make me ashamed if I did.

Bruno

Who was it that predicted the pitfalls of a low-priced empeg back about two months ago?

This thread so belongs in Off Topic. Does UBBThreads allow for thread moving?

Bruno

Well, you already know where I *really* think this thread actually belongs.

Hey genius... Were your parents born in America? How about their parents? Their parents? I can't imagine you're more than three or four generations from someone who CAME OVER TO AMERICA ON A FUCKING BOAT. Just like the people who you want to keep out.

Would you agree that the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of American values? Well, the inscription on that most recognizable of American landmarks reads "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Well, mister, your family was at one time among those huddled masses who came over to this country, and if it weren't for America being open to immigrants, you'd be somewhere else, probably trying to keep everyone who doesn't look or talk like you out of THAT country like the closed-minded simpleton you are.

Look I was born in the US too, and I love America. America in many ways has been a great example to the world. Democracy in its truest form was born here, and America became as strong as we are by letting people with new, fresh ideas in. This country was built on the backs of people who weren't born here, but who realized what America stood for. By your intolerant comments, it's clear you have not the slightest idea what America really stands for.

Of course it's a privelege for anyone to immigrate to another country, and a VAST majority of American immigrants earn that privelege by being productive, law abiding citizens. The twenty cocksuckers who hijacked the planes on 9/11, and their maybe hundred or two hundred accomplices don't change that fact. Using 9/11 as an excuse to be intolerant towards immigrants goes against everything that made America country great.

Well said. ; ) A very similar even't happened on the mp3car.com bbs. It was just removed though because of the lack of taste.

on a side note " Can't we all just try and get along ; )"

southpark: "If you don't like your home team, man. Get the hell out of the stadium."
-Greg

Remind me not to get on your bad side.

Bruno

Woo hoo, I got rid of the addict status by hunkering down and spending way too much time on the BBS in the past two days. Ha.

BTW, on-topic for the forum, but offtopic for this thread... You going to have some cycles to play around with your empTriv soon? I have yet to install any extras on my player and figured it could be interesting.

I don't live in the US, but it's people talking the crap that I've seen you just write, that would make me ashamed if I did.

As a proud American, I concur with your assessment. I am thoroughly embarassed to have a compatriot talking like this, spewing garbage that nobody who truly understands America can believe. Yz33d is one of Hitler's brothers, his opinions don't belong in a country that became great through the cooperation of people from all nationalities.

BTW, on-topic for the forum, but offtopic for this thread... You going to have some cycles to play around with your empTriv soon? I have yet to install any extras on my player and figured it could be interesting.

Well, the beta I released way back when is fully functional, provided you're Linux-savy enough to get it installed.. (FTP it over, unzip it, put it in your startup/init script.) Many people complained that it didn't have an easy install (and if you don't have developer image installed, you're basically SOL), so the one thing it really needs now is to use some kind of common Empeg "easy install" program. I don't know if I have that kind of project in me right now with work and grad school, but I heard someone was working on a nice easy Empeg installer.

The one thing I did want to add is a few hundred more Simpsons questions I downloaded, and I wanted to tweak the scoring a bit. But I switched gears and did some work on an alarm clock app last weekend... I have difficulty focusing on one task, as you can probably tell by the fact that I was ed in a heated debate with a Klan member instead of working on my school project or developing Empeg stuff tonight.

Damn people interfering with further developement of the world greatest invention. How am I suppost to stay driving wrecklessly without new games?

-Greg

Start up an alarm clock thread in the programming section when you have the chance and inclination. It's something I think I'd want to run. Let me know when it's testable - the sooner I can forget my clock-radio the better.

Bruno

yn0t_: Extremely well said. You know, I don't think think it usually very productive to hurl insults, but I feel like the situation demands it. Thus:

This infantile, twisted dickwad is precisely why the killfile was invented.

Oh, gosh, he probably even got a little passive aggressive, attention-seeking thrill out of my insult for all I know, but I couldn't help myself. Go far away. Please.

Well someone did ask mlord for an alarm clock in the Hijack kernel, but he has correctly stated that it's a good thing to have in user space instead. Someone might beat me to it, but I figured I'd give it a shot. As soon as it's stable, I'll share it.

Re: alarm clock

I started looking at the developer section on riocar.org recently to see if I could figure out how to get started on a HH:MM:SS clock (a user space app with big, plain numbers that would run at boot in place of the player and read GPS/NMEA time from serial). Such a beast could save me from spending $200 on an Alfa rally clock!!

Anyhow, if anyone write an alarm clock app that just happens to do some or all of these things -- or if it is something I could work off of -- that'd be swell!

LOL You obviously want to piss a bunch of people off here. Just box the empeg back up, call SB and get a return auth. then give the money to charity. Go Away

Hmm. If you got "at" running on the empeg you could do something really simple like:

#!/bin/sh
echo "please insert a time in at format to start music" > disp
read a
echo "Enter a FID for a song to wake up to" > disp
read b
echo "/empeg/play/$b" > alarm

at $a -f alarm > disp

With /empeg/play/ being the correct path of couse and disp being something to send to the screen.

-Greg

Of course... But I think people were thinking of something more elegant that lets you set the alarm time without being at a shell prompt (i.e. using the remote and/or front buttons.) Entering a FID is kind of clunky too. Right now mine is just beeping for an alarm, but I plan on having it be able to play a user-defined playlist.

Definatly. But with that something more elaborate can be expanded. Im just not skilled enough in programming to do so right now.

-Greg

You beat me to reminding our friend that almost all of Americans are rather recent immigrants (ah, those timezones!)

Note also his opinion that state religion is OK thing, as long as it is his religion

Now, Tony, this is a kind of American patriotism that I like. Well said, indeed.

Hybrid,

You envision the government of the US as the heart and soul of the country by calling people 'burdens' of the government. The people are the heart and soul of the country in America. With out the people, there would be no powerful government or powerful military. I guess it's an understandable mistake since you live in a socialist society.

yn0t_,

When my ancestors came, they were welcome. There was room. They weren't a threat to the country. Nobody back then came with malicious intentions. Now it's a problem. Imagine a elevator where when you get on there's only two other people on it with you. Then it starts to fill up. It fills up where no more can fit comfortably. Are you going to gladly welcome the next guy to get in? What if you think he might have a bomb strapped to him? Maybe not all foreigners should be kicked out, but it's getting ridiculous. Something has to be done. Like for starters, if they come here to go to school, we need to check on them and make sure they really are going to school.

Didn't you see Pakistani's dancing in the streets on tv after the attacks? Tell me why we should just let them come and go as they please?

bonzi,

No I didn't say that state religion is ok as long as it's mine. Remember the outcry from the left when Ashcroft was appointed Attorney General because he was a christian? What should he do, give up his beliefs while he's in office? The government shouldn't sponsor or hold back any particular religion, but it gets ridiculous when people attack government employees for having personal beliefs.

You said this: Did you know most of the hijackers were here legally?

Then this: Maybe not all foreigners should be kicked out, but it's getting ridiculous. Something has to be done. Like for starters, if they come here to go to school, we need to check on them and make sure they really are going to school.

They seem to contradict each other a small bit.

"many were in their late twenties and thirties, most with college educations, and had lived for prolonged periods of time in western countries."

Ok, so we check on every foreigner, and still miss someone dangerous. And that's assuming that every terrorist act is committed by a foreigner. People seem to forget that there was a certain incident in Oklahoma City a few years back involving a US born citizen, or a certain mail bomber who was also born in the US.

I think the worst thing beyond the actual tragedy to come out of 9/11 is the fact that we saw a resurgence in racism. Almost to the point of the crap that happened in the middle part of the last century.

All that I am trying to say is that we can't let people who hate America into the country.

On Ashcroft: nobody attacked his personal beliefs. The problem was Ten Commandmens he kept in his courtroom (and admitted he 'considers' them when coming to his decisions). How does judge who applies 'I am the Lord your God, ..., you shall have no other gods besides Me' in his courtroom enforce the constitutional principle of all citizens being equal before the law, regardless of, among others, religious belief?

And if you think fundamentalist Christianity is more tolerant of non-believers than Islam, remember what it has in store for them in afterlife (and this life is but a valey of tears anyway, no?)

And I am sure Bruno (hybrid8) and our other Canadian members are preparing revolution to topple their oppresive, anti-democratic government and its abhorrent institutions like, for example, universally available health care

Oh to be gifted with such a simple view of the world. I'm sure the hijackers simply just "hated" The United Sates. Yeah, that's it.

Again, I point you to the fact, that the biggest criminals you have in your country are raised and born Americans. Most of them haven't had the chance to perpetrate any mass-scale atrocities, I'll grant you that. The biggest burdens in your country, are your own home-raised problems. Not people coming in from other countries legally. These statements go back to what you originally said. You can't twist topics around to change that fact.

If your attitudes gain prevalence, you'll find that most "foreigners" entering your country will "hate" the United States. They won't be there to cause trouble. They'll more than likely be there on business and will be itching to get the hell out.

Maybe you can begin investing in a project to wall up your borders and eliminate all foreign travel (that includes US citizens leaving the country).

Bruno

Besides, without "foreigners" what would the state of music be like in the United States? Everyone would be stuck listening to the crap you've been quoting from Vanilla Ice. Oh wait, no they wouldn't. The only reason he managed to record anything was by ripping off talent from the UK. I guess you'd still have all your wonderful cultural ditties about 5.0 Mustangs and 9mm hand guns - just with very little in the way of background rhythm.

BTW, nice US flag. Still see you're ripping off other people's artwork and bandwidth. Great way to demonstrate the American Way. Lucky I know enough true Americans to know better.

I don't know why I'm responding. You're obviously too bigoted and ignorant to understand. But here it goes, anyway.

People are the burden of the government in every society. If the people weren't a burden, there would be no need for government. This is generally referred to as Utopia. However, there will, unfortunately, always be people who feel that it is their due to damage other people's rights. There must be a final arbiter of whose rights are to be upheld, and it is the job of the government in any country, be it Republican, Socialist, Communist, or whatever, to be that arbiter. There would also be no need for government if there were no people at all. Government is indended to be a function of the people, for the people, by the people. This has been twisted in many societies to minimze who ``the people'' are, but this sort of corruption is still fairly minimal in the United States.

First, I think the indigenous peoples of this continent would disagree, to say the least, with your statement that the immigrants to their land weren't a threat. But you're right in that there is no reason to let anyone in who probably has a bomb. But basing whether or not he has a bomb on his ethnic origin is ridiculous. Examine the internment camps for US citizens during World War II. Did they prevent any spying? Perhaps, but at the cost of the freedom who had no intention of spying. Did it prevent any German spying? Assuredly not. Because they look just like ``we'' do, despite the fact that they were as ``evil'', if not more so, than the Japanese. If we had been attacked by a group of Swedes, would you suggest that we throw all Swedes out of the country? A determination of whether or not a person has a bomb should be come to by, well, determining whether they have a bomb. If this must be a search, then all people should be searched, not just the ones who some random official deems likely. At the same time, there's no reason (other than financial) why we shouldn't enforce visas more carefully.

To jump back, your statement that Islam is ``evil'' is outrageous. I'll leave it at that. If you're not interested enough in investigating your claims before you espouse them, there's no point in trying to teach you. Ashcroft's nomination was not objected to because he was Christian. It was objected to because his personal beliefs seemed to override the responsibility to performing his job duties, according to his political record. This becomes a bigger issue when your job is that of Attorney General, as it becomes your job to enforce the laws of the country, whether you believe in them or not. It is far from the duty of that office to determine what the laws mean, or to decide which ones are valid. In his defense (shudder), he seems to have mostly followed the doctrines of this country, up to this point. It was, apparently, GWB that decided to forego the lawsuit against Microsoft, for example. I still don't trust the man any farther than I could throw him, though.

All that I am trying to say is that we can't let people who hate America into the country.

See, this is the same frickin thing you did with the original debate over "the future of Empeg." You come out and say all this ignorant, negative crap, and then you try to back off your points when confronted with realities of the situation.

What you originally said, AND I QUOTE, was that "any foreign GUESTS should be sent home." Now you just want to keep the ones who hate the country out? Come on, chief. Stick to your guns or admit you're wrong... Don't try to backpedal and slther out of it. That's just weak.

NOBODY on this BBS would want somoene who truly hates their country to enter their borders. However, the kind of intolerance you showed in your earlier posts goes way beyond a simple desire to protect against threats, and shows you have hate towards anyone who doesn't look like you, act like you, and share your beliefs. Save that garbage for your next Ku Klux Klan meeting, will ya?

And I am sure Bruno (hybrid8) and our other Canadian members are preparing revolution to topple their oppresive, anti-democratic government and its abhorrent institutions like, for example, universally available health care

Hey, we all know Canada is "America Lite." All the taste, half the calories, but somehow less satisfying.

(Great.. Now I'm starting a civil war with Canada... I can see the Canadian Navy paddling their way to the shores of Lake Ontario as we speak!)

ROFL !!

I'm not back peddaling yn0t. There's no easy to way to tell who hates america and who doesn't, so just throwing them all out would be a solution.

And I know for a fact that the Koran states straightforward that it is the duty of Muslims to kill the infedels.

IMHO the 'narrowing' of who 'the people' is done by the current Administration goes along, shall we say, financial lines. In addition to Microsoft and Enron debacles, there are numerous other examples. Take the measures to help aviation industry in the wake of Sep 11: mega-airlines got huge financial aid promptly. Military suddenly decided they desperatly needed all those Boeing 767s from orders cancelled by airlines. In the meantime, thousands of mom-and-pop FBOs, flight schools, air taxi operators, flight instructors and other harmed (and often forced out of business) by ridiculous restrictions on GA got zilch (so far). He who has shall be given, it would seem...

Well, I'm sure we wouldn't do much of anything unless it really came down to it. The last time Canada was at war with the US, we pushed you guys all the way down south, burned down your White House and then decided to come back up to colder climates.

Then again, I wasn't actually born here. I'm a "foreigner."

Bruno

And I know for a fact that the Koran states straightforward that it is the duty of Muslims to kill the infedels.

In 8th to 10th century (IIRC) there were several Moorish Islamic caliphates on Iberian peninsula, the most important one being in Cordoba. It was common that Great Vesire (something like secretary of state) be a Christian, main court physitian a Jew... Scientists in those caliphates translated works of Greek philosophers and physitians, Indian astronomers and mathematicians... and it was through those translations we know of them today. For example, this is the way the concept of positional numbering system with zero came to Europe. Well, of course, Christian Europe could not tolerate this situation. Moors were driven from Spain, and thus Dark Ages begun......

As this simplified history shows, The things are not that simple (TM). All faiths derived from original Jewish religion have strong element of xenophobia. All are based on fear from authority. All promise eternal damnation to non-believers. Christianity was amended a bit with New Testament idea of love, but all attrocities done in the name of Chrisitan God were done after Christ spoke about love. No religion is bad. No religion is better than others. What is bad is use of any religion in political purposes.

You are wrong. The Quran explicitly forbids killing. There are references to what you say in the reported sayings of Mohammed, but these are not the Quran, and it is not expected that they all really come from Mohammed. There are references to fighting the Unbelievers in the Quran (cf. Surah 48:29 and Surah 47:4), but they explicity refer to holding prisoners.

You might also want to keep in mind that Islam is directly descended from the same religions that became Judaism and Christianity. They all believe in the same God. The reason that Islam believes that Jews and Christians are unbelievers is because they believe in other Gods, Ezra (Surah 9:30) and Jesus (ibid. and Surah 5:72).

So you might want to consider what it is that you ``know''.

"What is bad is use of any religion in political purposes." - bonzi

What about devil worshipers? They like murder. Should laws against murder be thrown out?

All laws are created on the beliefs of the people that created them. To say that a person in politics shouldn't do what they feel is right is just ridiculous.

And just remember this, Asscroft lost an election to a dead guy....I kid you not, the people is his own state did not want him in the senate. I'm now of the feeling that the AG possition needs to be an elected possition, not an appointed one, so people who can not uphold the constution, or even what they believe in (Ashcroft is very "states rights", unless what they do offend him, then he'll run roughshod over the rights of the states) can get into a position of high power. Ok, I've vented enough, back to work.

Oh, and yes, I'm an American, I love the country, but starting to loath the people in power.

Oh, and why would we want to throw the Swedes out? Their women are very pleasing to the eyes

"What is bad is use of any religion in political purposes." - bonzi

What about devil worshipers? They like murder. Should laws against murder be thrown out?

All laws are created on the beliefs of the people that created them. To say that a person in politics shouldn't do what they feel is right is just ridiculous.

Man, do you read what you write!? What law forbids is murder, not devil worshiping, and it should stay that way. If your AG happened not to be Christian, but of some other religion, would it still be OK for him to 'do what he feels is right', and not what Constitution and law say? Are 'persons in politics' above law? Always, or only if of the right faith? Should Americans only apoint Christian Attorneys General? If so, how is that different from, say, Iran?

Asscroft lost an election to a dead guy....

Ah, yes, to the guy who got killed in a plane accident. IIRC, his widow 'succeeded' him...

Ever read The Satanic Bible? I'm guessing, yet again, no. It also explicity forbids killing. It even forbids killing animals except for food, IIRC. Okay, so Anton LaVey is not exactly everyone's Satanist, but still....

(I don't mention the obvious break in logic in your statement. It's been covered elsewhere.)

I'd like everyone who's casually observing this thread to note that a Croat knows more about being an American than an actual citizen of the United States. Draw your own conclusions.

In keeping with my philosophy that everything in life can be represented by a Simpsons episode, this reminds me of "Much Apu About Nothing" when Apu is studying to become an American citizen and Homer knows far less about the country than Apu.

And I know for a fact that the Koran states straightforward that it is the duty of Muslims to kill the infedels.

I have reason to suspect that you've never actually read the Koran except in out-of-context quotes. I'm sure the same applies to other religious texts.

Don't worry, I haven't, either. I'm just making a point.

You're young. Even though your BBS profile is blank, I can say this with near certainty, based on the things you've said here. I'm guessing you're between 18 and 25.

I'm not much older than you (i'm a mere 34), but I'm going to give you some sagely advice that you should heed carefully as your progress through life. This is just advice, and you can take it or leave it as you please: Don't start, or get sucked into, discussions about politics, race, or religion unless you specifically want trouble. Especially if you hold minority opinions on those subjects. You will almost always piss off the people you're talking to.

You've just done all of those things in the same thread, practically in a single sentence.

Okay, I agree that you didn't start the discussion ("Osama" did), but you just took something that was meant to be an offhand joke and tried to make something serious out of it-- and managed to alienate just about the entire clientele of this BBS in the process.

Now, if it were any other online forum, no big deal. And it may not be a big deal to you. But you just purchased a really neat gadget (perhaps one of the neatest gadgets you've ever owned) that's been End-Of-Lifed. After its warranty runs out, this BBS is your only chance of getting support for the thing. I seem to recall someone else telling you "don't sh!t where you live" in another thread. You didn't seem to be listening.

So far, I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt as I've read your posts. I've been trying to be gently supportive and helpful, and respond in a positive fashion as much as possible. But there's only so much energy I can expend in this manner before I give up.

So I recommend that you try to restrict your posts to discussions about the car player. Again, this is just advice that you can take or leave as you please.

I just want to tell Bonzi that the Zero or null notion didn't come from Islamic civilization but From India.

The Zero or Zephirum in latin or Zero came from an indian religious notion from the nothing but Arabic scientists used it , translated it and brought it to Europe.
Even actual numbers came from Indian system.They are Indian letters that Arabic scientists used also and transcripted its with their alphabet ...

But I could even agree with him when he says that many Arabicic Mathematician brought to us :

An other example is Algorithmic:
The word is the name of his creator , A Mathematician called Al Qawarizmi , lived in the City of Bagdad ;-)
He created a method to resolve Equations with Algebra , an other Arabic Word of his Creator : Al Zaebra ....
Those word were translated iin Greek, and in Latin ...

Arabic astronoms made Ptolemae works on solar system (He gave a model of the rotating Sun and Moon) false because of their knowledge of stars and astronomics that position of the Moon at certain periods wasnt good by the Ptolemae's model.

Later Nicolas Copernic brought this theories in Europe in the book De Revolutionibus orbium colelestium libri in 1543 that rotation of planets are freee and not perfect around the Earth ....

Perhaps I was not clear, but I believe that's what I said (that we got positional numeric system with zero through Arabic translation of Indian mathematicians).

Sorry to repeat what you said in a bad english ....

You added interesting details and clarifications. Anyway, the main purpose of my original post was to show to our (presumably young) friend that Muslims are not inherently 'savages' and that so-called Western Civilisations owes them a lot.

Cheers!

Bad English was mine .... (proved by my sentence)

Tony - I don't have moderation rights on this forum, you do. Any chance of freezing the thread now? This is CLEARLY off topic. If people want to fight in the "Off Topic" forum then fine, it's easier to ignore. Frankly the last thing I want to do when I read this BBS is trawl through pages of political debate.

A lot of people at empeg have already stopped reading the BBS due to the sheer volume of traffic, but some of us will keep at it if we can at least keep everything on-topic and as flame free as possible. I can see that an "ignore user" feature might be handy soon, which is something I'd never have dreamed I'd be saying until recently.

This used to be such a friendly place!

Rob

(Great.. Now I'm starting a civil war with Canada...

If past performance is anything to go by then I wouldn't do that if I were you

Rob

Rob, you are correct.

Everyone: Please understand that I am locking this thread for one reason only: To encourage people to take the discussion over to the "Off Topic" forum. I am not attempting to censor anyone's opinions and I have not (so far) deleted any posts or banned any users. If you all still want to pound on this topic, please do so in the "Off Topic" forum.

In the past, off-topic threads have been tolerated (and even encouraged) here, but the amount of traffic on the BBS has recently increased to the point that strictness-of-topic is becoming a necessity.

Locking thread now. Thanks everyone for your understanding.