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#64072 - 28/01/2002 20:51 listening on computer?
newguy1
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Registered: 26/01/2002
Posts: 278
Loc: Massachusetts,USA
I have read the FAQ and didn't find the answer i was looking for .So my ? is, can i use player on home PC and hear sound without using the RCA outputs.Will the computer just pull the file(song) thru USB and play it on Winamp thru the computer speakers?My apologizes if this was already discussed but i didn't find the info. Thanks Mike.
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#64073 - 28/01/2002 21:29 Re: listening on computer? [Re: newguy1]
Yang
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 443
Loc: Raleigh, NC
No you can't, though I wish you could.. I only have one RCA->phono cable.. My Nomad Jukebox can, so it's not impossible.. Just need someone to add that feature to (J)emplode or some other application. The alternative, is to port shoutcast/icecast to the empeg..

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#64074 - 28/01/2002 21:38 Re: listening on computer? [Re: newguy1]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
You can use Display Server to play over ethernet. You can also install Hijack and point Winamp to the player's IP address (also ethernet) to browse its contents. Unfortunately you'll only be selecting by FID# and won't know what you're playing until you hear it.

Bruno
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#64075 - 28/01/2002 21:56 Re: listening on computer? [Re: newguy1]
tracerbullet
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Registered: 08/01/2002
Posts: 419
Loc: Minnesota
You can't just take the front outputs and use an adapter to plug it into a soundcard? You may want to watch keeping the volume down of course. My soundcard has a "line input" that I've plugged my home receiver into, I can't see the Empeg being much different. Be careful of course, if it's spitting out too high a voltage I guess you could hurt something.

The adapter is easily found at an electronics store. It's designed to connect a portable CD player to a stereo, but works in reverse.

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#64076 - 28/01/2002 22:32 Re: listening on computer? [Re: newguy1]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
just install display server it works great

here is the faq instructions Link

here is franks website Link

get version 1.1
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#64077 - 28/01/2002 23:59 Re: listening on computer? [Re: newguy1]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31596
Loc: Seattle, WA
So my ? is, can i use player on home PC and hear sound without using the RCA outputs.

You can (using Displayserver or Hijack), but why would you want to? It's much easier and better if you simply connect the car player into the PC sound card's LINE INPUT jack. How to do this, and the advantages of doing it this way, are described in this FAQ entry.
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#64078 - 29/01/2002 01:33 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I use mine that way because I have usb speakers
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#64079 - 29/01/2002 01:43 Re: listening on computer? [Re: msaeger]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31596
Loc: Seattle, WA
I use mine that way because I have usb speakers

Ah, yes, those wonderful useless pieces of stillborn technology.
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#64080 - 29/01/2002 01:50 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I don't miss my hissing sound card
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#64081 - 29/01/2002 11:55 Re: listening on computer? [Re: msaeger]
beaker
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Registered: 19/08/2000
Posts: 588
Loc: England
Which version of the player software are you using? I've found DisplayServer to be broken when running the 2.0 betas. Other guys on the network get a connection but it's very flaky. They get lots of timeouts now. I have mentioned this on the BBS before but no-one's really given me any indication whether they also have this problem or not. I'd really like them to be able to listen to my music collection again.
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#64082 - 29/01/2002 14:41 Re: listening on computer? [Re: beaker]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
So what does displayserver do for tunes.. does it present a playlist menu or something, and then just allow you to click and stream over http (ala Hijack, without the playlist menu)??

Thanks

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#64083 - 29/01/2002 14:47 Re: listening on computer? [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31596
Loc: Seattle, WA
does it present a playlist menu or something, and then just allow you to click and stream over http (ala Hijack, without the playlist menu)??

Correct.

I think it would be cool if Hijack could have a symbolic link to some code that on-the-fly generated a playlist menu like Displayserver.
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#64084 - 29/01/2002 14:50 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
As I understand it, it actually generates an .m3u file that it sends to the client, right?
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#64085 - 29/01/2002 14:55 Re: listening on computer? [Re: beaker]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I am using the player 2.07 developer version and the displayserver version 1.1. I have gotten a couple of timeouts I am just using it on my little home network
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#64086 - 29/01/2002 15:38 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
charcoalgray99
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Registered: 14/05/2001
Posts: 279
Anyone remember this program?

Only problem is it's not on-the-fly.

Tom

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#64087 - 29/01/2002 15:41 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
I think it would be cool, too. I might just have a look at it..

-ml

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#64088 - 29/01/2002 15:48 Re: listening on computer? [Re: mlord]
beaker
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That's about it yes. DS1 & 2 differ in the way they display the information but functionally they're very similar. You get your playlists layed out in a table which you can click to see the contents of (be this further playlists or tracks, or both). You also have the option of just streaming individual tracks or whole playlists. It doesn't seem to handle the playing of nested playlists though. It would be nice to get it working properly or add to your HTTP server to get it to serve up some nice output like DS.

Any chance of getting this into Hijack?

edit: you just beat me to it. Yes it would be really cool if you could get it in there .


Edited by beaker (29/01/2002 15:53)
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#64089 - 29/01/2002 16:19 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tracerbullet]
tracerbullet
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Registered: 08/01/2002
Posts: 419
Loc: Minnesota
Just re-read the question, now realizing that the question was how NOT to use the RCA's... sorry about that.

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#64090 - 29/01/2002 19:22 Re: listening on computer? [Re: beaker]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
Mmm.. Okay, I have the basic skeleton functionality in Hijack now.

It added about 1KB or so to do, and is extremely plain brown wrapper at present. I'll upload it shortly (v155).

If anyone wants to experiment with it, just point your browser at your empeg like this:

http://my.empeg.whereever/drive0/fids/101?format

Note that it is very "drive0 centric" at the moment, and not fancy in the slightest. But it does work.

-ml

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#64091 - 29/01/2002 20:02 Re: listening on computer? [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31596
Loc: Seattle, WA
/me scrambles for his player and version 155....
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#64092 - 29/01/2002 20:36 Re: listening on computer? [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31596
Loc: Seattle, WA
Yup, that works. Just like displayserver. Except when you actually drill down to an individual song, it doesn't start streaming when I click on the song link (assuming you'll work on that?).

Too cool.
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#64093 - 29/01/2002 21:37 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
Mmm.. when I click on songs, they stream for me..

I wonder what your browser is expecting different?

Cheers

-ml

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#64094 - 29/01/2002 23:11 Re: listening on computer? [Re: mlord]
cwillenbrock
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Registered: 30/12/2000
Posts: 249
Loc: Dover, NJ
I've tested on IE 5.5 and 6, and Netscape 4.08. In all cases, the songs don't stream..they download to a temp directory and after the whole file is copied it begins to play.

Seems the difference is DS generated and sent .m3u files on the fly (audio/x-mpegurl), and Hijack sends just sends the mp3 file. I guess.
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#64095 - 29/01/2002 23:25 Re: listening on computer? [Re: tfabris]
MisterBeefhead
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Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 161
Loc: Crete, Il USA
In reply to:

You can (using Displayserver or Hijack), but why would you want to?




Improved sound quality for those of us with digital connections to our recievers from our soundcards.
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#64096 - 29/01/2002 23:31 Re: listening on computer? [Re: cwillenbrock]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
OMFG this is good. And so easy!

I've tested on IE 5.5 and 6, and Netscape 4.08. In all cases, the songs don't stream..they download to a temp directory and after the whole file is copied it begins to play.

Seems the difference is DS generated and sent .m3u files on the fly (audio/x-mpegurl), and Hijack sends just sends the mp3 file. I guess.


I agree. I have quicktime as my default player and I can see the file downloading. It can be played at any time once the QT player comes up.
Using opera 6 it downloads the file and uses the default media player.

No streaming at this point.

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#64097 - 30/01/2002 00:20 Re: listening on computer? [Re: muzza]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
ok here's a dumb question what directory do I go to, to see the playlists ?

I have version 156 Mark was too fast for me
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#64098 - 30/01/2002 06:47 Re: listening on computer? [Re: msaeger]
cwillenbrock
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Registered: 30/12/2000
Posts: 249
Loc: Dover, NJ
If you've used Hijack before to browse you player than this should be pretty straightforward. You would be in your FIDS directory, and looking at the 101 FID, but passing it the format parameter, like:
http://whereveryourempegis/drive0/fids/101?format
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#64099 - 30/01/2002 07:01 Re: listening on computer? [Re: mlord]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
http://my.empeg.whereever/drive0/fids/101?format

Very cool! Now serve them to Rio Receivers and we can all go home

Peter

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#64100 - 30/01/2002 08:19 Re: listening on computer? [Re: cwillenbrock]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
my 101 is on drive1 it doesn't appear to work from drive1
unless I am still doing something wrong

http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/drive1/fids/101?format
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#64101 - 30/01/2002 08:31 Re: listening on computer? [Re: cwillenbrock]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
Sheeshh.. does nobody around here know how to configure a web browser? Or maybe the Windows platform is just lacking good streaming media players?

It streams, and plays, "out of the box" for me using Netscape with plugger. The mime-type is (correctly) "audio/mpeg", and plugger just streams it into mpg123 in the background.

But of course this ties up a connection for the duration, and Hijack only allows four connections max by default, so better might be to download it and then play it. With this mode, it is extremely simple to edit the "helper applications" settings and add the audio/mpeg mime-type, pointing it at a suitable mp3 player (are there any on Windows?).

But if you'd rather have ".m3u" output, then somebody please post an example (complete, please) of webserver output for a ".m3u". Thanks.

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