Posted by: burdell1
Pocket PC question - 27/05/2003 10:56
Do the Pocket PCs have software for a computer to sync with the Pocket PC like Palm does? or do you just use Outlook?
Pocket PC question
Posted by: Dignan
Re: Pocket PC question - 27/05/2003 11:34
They did back when it was WinCE, at least. Sorry, can't give you any more than that. I'd suggest checking out pocketpccity.com. Again, I haven't been there lately, just back when it used to be WinCECity.com.
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 27/05/2003 13:06
Yes. It's called Activesync. They do not bundle a Personal Information Manager (like Palm Desktop) with it. You use Activesync to sync to the PIM software you already have installed (such as Outlook).
You need to have Activesync installed to sync a PC to a Pocket PC.
-Zeke
You need to have Activesync installed to sync a PC to a Pocket PC.
-Zeke
Posted by: drakino
Re: Pocket PC question - 27/05/2003 20:31
Most PocketPCs come with a copy of Outlook if you don't have a copy already. And yes, newer ones still use Activesync. The idealogy behind it is a bit different then the Palm. Connecting your PDA starts the sync, and it ends when the PDA is disconnected. Thus, if I make a change on the PDA or in Outlook, they sync this data immediatly, even if my PDA has been connected for 8 hours already. Hence "Activesync".
Mac users have PocketMac that can sync to several programs, including Address Book and iCal in OS X.2.
Mac users have PocketMac that can sync to several programs, including Address Book and iCal in OS X.2.
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 27/05/2003 20:53
I wasn't aware Outlook was being bundled these days. It makes perfect sense as a promotion tool that M$ can give away to boost PPC sales. I've got an older IPAQ 3670 but with a 2GB disk and an 802.11b wireless card, it doesn't feel old, and definitely didn't come with a free copy of Outlook. Oh yes, ActiveSync also works over the wireless network (at least on the WLAN - not over the internet, although that may be possible - I've never tried). Activesync can also be set to sync like a Palm - do it once then disconnect, or to do sync every X minutes.
The PPC is definitely a worthy toy, probably 2nd or 3rd after the empeg & the cameras.
-Zeke
The PPC is definitely a worthy toy, probably 2nd or 3rd after the empeg & the cameras.
-Zeke
Posted by: tman
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 04:46
Weird. I've got a 3630 and it came with a copy of Outlook 2000. That was the main reason why I started to use Outlook.
You can do an Activesync over ethernet, USB, serial and IRDA. I wouldn't try serial unless you're really desperate as it takes ages just for a basic one where nothing has changed.
I'm not sure how useful my PDAs are. I never seem to use them apart from playing games and reading eBooks. My contacts list and their details are stored in my phone anyway as it's one of those with basic PDA features. I do agree that having a good camera is a better buy than a PDA tho.
- Trevor
You can do an Activesync over ethernet, USB, serial and IRDA. I wouldn't try serial unless you're really desperate as it takes ages just for a basic one where nothing has changed.
I'm not sure how useful my PDAs are. I never seem to use them apart from playing games and reading eBooks. My contacts list and their details are stored in my phone anyway as it's one of those with basic PDA features. I do agree that having a good camera is a better buy than a PDA tho.
- Trevor
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 05:25
Well, I'd swear mine didn't come with Outlook, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!
I don't take too many business trips, but the Ipaq replaced carting an 8 lb. portable. Other than that I mostly use it as a streaming walkman and when on trips for GPS/Navigation. It also makes a decent .mp3 player on the plane (not WMPlayer tho - what a turd that is). I don't use it daily either. If I wanted just a datebook, I think Palms are the way to go - $100 for a Zire and you're set.
In the end I can't say it was particularly cheaper than a portable. $600 (new), $150 for PCMCIA jacket $100 for 802.11b card, $300 for PCMCIA 2GB HD, $100 for Targus keyboard. On the plus side, they don't make you turn it on at the airport.
Early versions of Activesync were abominable, but it's pretty solid now, IMHO.
-Zeke
I don't take too many business trips, but the Ipaq replaced carting an 8 lb. portable. Other than that I mostly use it as a streaming walkman and when on trips for GPS/Navigation. It also makes a decent .mp3 player on the plane (not WMPlayer tho - what a turd that is). I don't use it daily either. If I wanted just a datebook, I think Palms are the way to go - $100 for a Zire and you're set.
In the end I can't say it was particularly cheaper than a portable. $600 (new), $150 for PCMCIA jacket $100 for 802.11b card, $300 for PCMCIA 2GB HD, $100 for Targus keyboard. On the plus side, they don't make you turn it on at the airport.
Early versions of Activesync were abominable, but it's pretty solid now, IMHO.
-Zeke
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 10:22
does anyone have a 3900 series Ipaq? if so, how do you like it?that is the one I am thinking about getting.....it does it fit in your pocket ok without being too bulky too?
Posted by: Satan_X
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 19:32
39xx series is a nice unit, when HP puts out PocketPC 2003 for it, it should be even nicer. I had one for about two months. Size is not bad, a little bulky in the pocket. You may want to look into a 1910 or even a 2200 (nice size, was playing around with one the other day, should be out very soon).
Posted by: mwest
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 20:49
There's also a host of third party syncing software packages... Why any one would pay 600 hundred bucks for any handheld when they could get a Tungsten T for 300 dollars I personally don't understand...
Posted by: drakino
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 21:16
Why any one would pay 600 hundred bucks for any handheld when they could get a Tungsten T for 300 dollars I personally don't understand...All depends on what someone wants. An iPaq 54xx series ($600-$700) gives you built in 802.11b, more memory, a faster processor, biometric security, and a ton of expansion options that are out now. An iPaq 1910 ($300) will give you about the same features as the Tungsten, but still a faster processor, and more memory. The upcoming rumored revision will add Bluetooth as well.
Palm to me was great ages ago back when the PocketPCs were still trying to find where they fit in the market. Now it just seems like Palm is playing catchup with both the PocketPC camp, and Sony.
Posted by: Satan_X
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/05/2003 21:32
my 54xx was free :P
Edit:
Sorry for the slightly blurry pic, My only camera at the moment is my cell phone.
Edit:
Sorry for the slightly blurry pic, My only camera at the moment is my cell phone.
Posted by: matthew_k
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 00:46
I just saw the 1910 at staples for the first time, and it was the first wince/pocketpc that actually made me think I'd want one. It used to be "look, we've got all these cool features, but we'll never fit in your pocket". Now, they've got all these cool features, they'll fit in your pocket, and when you sit on them you won't be crushing a $600 device. Yet another example where microsoft gets into a market and perserveres until they get a decent product. No other company could have made winCE a sucess.
Matthew
Matthew
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 09:10
how did you get it for free?
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 09:17
Satan X, where did you see a 2200?
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 09:35
If you squint at his attached photo you can see it says Engineering Evaluation (I think).
-Zeke
-Zeke
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 09:37
Do you work for them or something?
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 09:45
I'm not the one with the free PPC, I was just pointing out the answer to your question. SatanX is the one with the free PPC. Mine was a birthday gift!
-Zeke
-Zeke
Posted by: cushman
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 09:50
The Palm/CE debate rages on, but I think that they both have their uses. The WinCE devices are good for people who want a lot of features, video, MP3's, wireless access, etc. Palm devices are better for someone who just wants an organizer with a few games and utilities. One of the major disadvantages of the WinCE devices is battery life. More processor, more featrures, but you have to recharge it every night. I'm still waiting for one of those mats you can place your phone, PDA, etc on and have them recharge.
Posted by: Satan_X
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 10:39
It says 'Evaluation Equipment'. I dont work for HP, but I work in the IT sector of a fortune 500 company. I usually get my hands on some of the 'eval' handhelds to play with. This is my 4th IPAQ in about two years. Life is good that way....
I only got to play with the 2200 for about 5 minutes, very nice unit......
I only got to play with the 2200 for about 5 minutes, very nice unit......
Posted by: Dignan
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 10:50
I'm not the one with the free PPC...Mine was a birthday gift!Hey, that's free in my book! (unless it was to yourself
)
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 10:53
I have a very generous mother in law.
-Zeke
-Zeke
Posted by: drakino
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 13:00
The WinCE devices are good for people who want a lot of features, video, MP3's, wireless access, etc. Palm devices are better for someone who just wants an organizer with a few games and utilities.But yet it seems all the Palm devices want to play MP3s, video, etc... This was a good argument a few years back, but as I said earlier, it seems Palm is playing catchup to WinCE, instead of staying in their easy to use market.
One of the major disadvantages of the WinCE devices is battery life.Not anymore. The Tungsten T does still outlast the iPaq 1910, but just by a bit (5% difference at most). Of course, the 1910 offers the ability to simply swap out the battery with a fully charged one, something I haven't seen a Palm offer yet. The 5450 iPaq also manages to pull in similar battery life results due to the larger batttery, and XScale 400 procs not taking much more power then the old StrongARM 200 chips.
Posted by: robricc
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 13:04
But yet it seems all the Palm devices want to play MP3s, video, etc...Not the Palm Zire (m150) that still sells for $100. That thing can't do shit. Not worth $100 IMHO. Perhaps that's why the one on my desk right now cost me nothing.
You get what you pay for even if the cost is zero (as far as Palm goes).
Posted by: davekirk
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 16:51
Of course, the 1910 offers the ability to simply swap out the battery with a fully charged one, something I haven't seen a Palm offer yet. -DrakinoYou must have just started looking, then. All the earlier, plastic-cased Palms (before the Palm V, IIRC) used 2 standard AAA batteries. And they could run for weeks on a set. Alas, this didn't work for the new models with color screens, expansion slots and wireless comm.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch movies or play action games (not chess) on any handheld. None of them (even the Tungsten) are truly small enough to carry around all the time without thinking about it. Since it's a device you have to deliberately lug around... why not bring a notebook? It does all the entertainment stuff so much better.
Required disclaimer: OK, I did replace my trusty Palm IIIx with an m515. But that's just my gadget-boy nature showing. The IIIx did everything I needed it to (hold addresses, phone numbers, memos, etc.).
Posted by: Satan_X
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 17:34
To all the people at my job that asked my opinion of what to get (palm vs pocketpc), I always compare them as such:
If you are looking for the fuctionality of a 'daytimer' get a palm.
If you are looking for the fuctionality of a psudo-laptop, get a pocketpc device.
Mind you, after having used 3 different palm devices and about 7 CE devices, I have truly come to this conclusion....
If you are looking for the fuctionality of a 'daytimer' get a palm.
If you are looking for the fuctionality of a psudo-laptop, get a pocketpc device.
Mind you, after having used 3 different palm devices and about 7 CE devices, I have truly come to this conclusion....
Posted by: robricc
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 17:42
You must have just started looking, then.Tom works for Compaq (now HP). I think he sees a lot more than most of us.
Posted by: robricc
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 17:45
I look at Palm vs. PocketPC the same as you. However, I dislike carrying either of them.
I'm waiting for this to hit the market:
http://www.fossil.com/tech/TechPDAPalmInfo.asp?Tier1=Tech
I'm waiting for this to hit the market:
http://www.fossil.com/tech/TechPDAPalmInfo.asp?Tier1=Tech
Posted by: cushman
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 18:17
But yet it seems all the Palm devices want to play MP3s, video, etc... This was a good argument a few years back, but as I said earlier, it seems Palm is playing catchup to WinCE, instead of staying in their easy to use market.
I think this is sad. Palm had a good niche going on, and I wish they would keep with the product lines that are simple and inexpensive. I think they are trying to do this with some of their m series (m100) but the Zire is the wrong direction. You need to provide at least the base functionality of the Palm III or Visor (which you can get for $30 or so on eBay) not go backwards.
The Tungsten T does still outlast the iPaq 1910, but just by a bit (5% difference at most).
I guess I wasn't including the Tungsten series in my comparison because they use an ARM processor, and the older Palm devices use less power-hungry dragonball processors. The older III/V/m will run for weeks on a charge.
Posted by: genixia
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/05/2003 23:02
That does look pretty cool....except;
BATTERY LIFE
Approx. 4 days (Based on an average use of 30 minutes per day, with backlight set OFF. The battery life varies depending on the temperature and conditions of use.)
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 30/05/2003 05:41
Yeah, but a free Zire still works great for Palantir/Empire. Long battery life is perfect for the car and its nice to have my complete address book sitting in the car permanently. So, I'd say not _completely_ useless.
-Zeke
-Zeke
Posted by: cushman
Re: Pocket PC question - 30/05/2003 10:06
And if you can't find a Zire free, you can get it on eBay for $50.
Also, a Handspring Visor Deluxe, Palm V and Palm IIIxe all go for $50 on eBay.
These all work well with Palantir, I may add.
Also, a Handspring Visor Deluxe, Palm V and Palm IIIxe all go for $50 on eBay.
These all work well with Palantir, I may add.
Posted by: davekirk
Re: Pocket PC question - 30/05/2003 10:10
Tom works for Compaq (now HP). I think he sees a lot more than most of us. -robriccAh, that clarifies the battery comment. It must be self-serving corporate marketing misinformation, not actual ignorance.
Apology in advance for Tom: Sorry, I know you didn't post that reply.
Posted by: robricc
Re: Pocket PC question - 30/05/2003 10:14
That does look pretty cool....except;
BATTERY LIFECome on! Having a watch that has to be recharged and runs PalmOS is the ultimate in geekiness. And I though my Casio Databank was geeky.
Approx. 4 days (Based on an average use of 30 minutes per day, with backlight set OFF. The battery life varies depending on the temperature and conditions of use.)
Posted by: Dignan
Re: Pocket PC question - 30/05/2003 10:32
Dude! When the hell is that thing going to come out??
Unfoturnately, I think that battery life is a big issue with that thing. Supposedly you're likely to get about 1 day of wear at a time. I don't know about you, but I don't always remember to charge my cell phone at night, or I'll be away from a charger for a couple days.
Despite that and the fact that it's supposed to be mucho expensive, it definitely is a geek dream
Unfoturnately, I think that battery life is a big issue with that thing. Supposedly you're likely to get about 1 day of wear at a time. I don't know about you, but I don't always remember to charge my cell phone at night, or I'll be away from a charger for a couple days.
Despite that and the fact that it's supposed to be mucho expensive, it definitely is a geek dream
Posted by: Ezekiel
Re: Pocket PC question - 30/05/2003 12:16
Don't worry. Your Casio Databank is _still_ geeky.
-Zeke
-Zeke
Posted by: drakino
Re: Pocket PC question - 31/05/2003 15:31
Ah, that clarifies the battery comment. It must be self-serving corporate marketing misinformation, not actual ignorance.I was aware of the earlier Palm units running off normal AA batteries, as I owned a few myself. I'm just pointing out that now Palm offers no rechargable units with batteries that can be swapped out, and this is actually a feature many people out there request.
Apology in advance for Tom: Sorry, I know you didn't post that reply.
Also, I do work for HP, but nowhere near the division that does the iPaq development or support. I know more about the upcoming handhelds from public web sites then I do from internal sources. I also bought my first iPaq with no employee discount. To me, the iPaq was what finally snapped the WinCE market into place, and see Palm's recent actions as an indication that something was right with the iPaq design.
Now if I start talking about Intel based servers, there will probably be a bit of corporate taint there. Then again, we do lead the market by quite a bit, and seeing the servers in compairson to others first hand, I know why.
Posted by: robricc
Re: Pocket PC question - 01/06/2003 13:40
Dude! When the hell is that thing going to come out??I just saw it on Amazon. Looks like there is a black version coming too. At a price of around $300, I think it's not going to be embraced by many.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009QR9X
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 01/06/2003 17:58
does anyone have any photos of the Ipaq 2200 (i think that is the model #)? The one that hasn't came out yet...
Posted by: Dignan
Re: Pocket PC question - 01/06/2003 19:57
It also looks like there's a version with a brown band that doesn't look too bad. I'd get that or the silver one if I were going to get it at all. I doubt I will, though. $275 can go a long way elsewhere, hopefully to a new P800.
Posted by: Satan_X
Re: Pocket PC question - 02/06/2003 13:42
They have some pics here...
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/08/2003 07:16
Does anyone know what the case looks like that comes with the 2215?
Posted by: lectric
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/08/2003 16:24
I just got an IPAQ 1940 and am VERY pleased with it. The only thing I dislike is that when you close an app, it doesn't really close. You have to go to memory management to really close it. As long as this frees resources as needed, it SHOULDN'T be an issue, except for the fact that you can't move files when they are in use. I ran into this today. Very annoying.
Other than that, it's a pretty sexy unit.
Other than that, it's a pretty sexy unit.
Posted by: Attack
Re: Pocket PC question - 28/08/2003 21:23
If you push the button on the bottom right you should get a list of all running apps. You can then close the apps from here.
Posted by: cmtempeg
Re: Pocket PC question - 29/08/2003 08:41
I use Magic Button. It has an intuitive and non-intrusive UI. It allows you to easily close or switch to the running app you want.
Posted by: burdell1
Re: Pocket PC question - 11/09/2003 18:12
Does anyone of you have a 5000 series Ipaq? I was curious about the case that comes with it