#166461 - 19/06/2003 08:23
Kill my resume!
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Having completed school, I am now going to take a more aggressive approach towards finding new employment. While I'm generally okay with my current job, I don't feel that my current position is allowing me to reach my potential.
So the first step is polishing up the ol' resume, and I've spent some time doing that in the last couple days. I figured I'd post a link here to get some constructive criticism before I start sending it out to would-be employers. It's been a few years since I've done this, so I'm a little rusty.
Incidentally, I have toyed with the idea of a more "Monster-like" resume where I list the skill level, number of years, and last time used for each of my skills, but it ended up taking up way too much of the resume, and I didn't have anything left for my work experience. Does anyone use that kind of resume? I figure I'll just list the skills, and if they want to know expertise level of each of them, they can ask.. Is it better to have that kind of detailed information on the resume, at the expense of listing work experience?
Well, anyway, if you consider yourself an accomplished resume writer, and you've got a few minutes, take a look at my resume at http://www.tonyc.org/resume.html and let me know what you think. Don't hold back, feel free to criticize anything, from the grammar, to the formatting, to the content itself. Nothing is sacred, I'll junk the entire thing if I have to in order to get something that works better when I go to send these out.
Thanks for any and all help.
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#166462 - 19/06/2003 09:10
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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enthusiast
Registered: 20/11/2000
Posts: 279
Loc: Pacific Northwest
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Tony,
Here are a few suggestions I would make:
- Stick with one font through-out, two at most (bold doesn't count.)
- Use no more than 3 font sizes or it gets distracting.
- Consider putting your contact information on one or two lines under your name. It looks cluttered where it is.
- Re-order your categories Objective, Experience, Education, Skills to emphasize your abilities which are what is ultimately going to sell you.
- Good documentation on history, though consider changing to an active tense instead of passive. (ie: loose the "-ed's")
- I don't care for the use of dates as leader items on the Experience list--they're just not that important to lead with. Perhaps try to fit them right justified on the company name line.
- I'm not sure if it is even necessary to offer references, as that is almost implied these days.
Anyways, a few suggestions. Good luck!
-Tim
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#166463 - 19/06/2003 09:55
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: time]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Thank you, this is the exact kind of advice I'm looking for!
A few possibly naive questions, though...
Stick with one font through-out, two at most (bold doesn't count.) I'm using Times New Roman for 99% of it, the only time I use another font (Arial) is for my name at the top. Or are you referring to the category headings (Objective, etc.) which are in the same Times New Roman, but are in "small caps" style? Is that a no-no? I thought it provided a more easy visual identification of the category headings. I am using some italics for certain things which may give the appearance of another font.. is that frowned upon as well? Use no more than 3 font sizes or it gets distracting. Except for the heading (name) I'm only using 12pt and 11pt Times New Roman, aside from the "small caps" thing mentioned above. I've heard the 3 font size thing.. Maybe it's just the use of underlining and italics that's making it more confusing, rather than font sizes? Consider putting your contact information on one or two lines under your name. It looks cluttered where it is. The reason I did it that way was really to save space... If I use up 4 lines for my contact info, I have to take something out of my experience... Is that a good sacrifice? Incidentally I had the left and right columns offset slightly below my name to make it less cluttered, but that didn't come out in the HTML export. I thought it looked okay at least in the Word doc... But I know what you're saying, I guess I didn't choose the most conventional way to do that... I'm open to other suggestions there.. Re-order your categories Objective, Experience, Education, Skills to emphasize your abilities which are what is ultimately going to sell you. That's the order I had at one time, but my thinking was that most employers, no matter what they say, start off by looking for skills, and then look to see what you did with the skills. My education section used to be further down, but when I got my masters' degree, I thought it might be a good selling point to move towards the top. The thing about putting experience first is that those entries tend to be narrative type stuff that takes longer to read... Are they going to read one or two sentences and then get bored?
Or maybe I'm trying too hard to address the "short attention span" issue... Good documentation on history, though consider changing to an active tense instead of passive. (ie: loose the "-ed's") Can you give one example of how I might do this? You're not talking about passive voice, are you? You seem to be suggesting that I write my experience lines in present tense... How do I do that when this is stuff I've already done? I don't care for the use of dates as leader items on the Experience list--they're just not that important to lead with. Perhaps try to fit them right justified on the company name line. Well, since I've had instances where I've had different jobs (due to promotions) with a single company, I don't think I can put the dates on the company line... But right-justifying them on the job title line is probably a good idea. You're right, the date isn't as important as what I did. I'm not sure if it is even necessary to offer references, as that is almost implied these days. Good point. If I take that out, I might even have room for my address in the header now! 
Thanks again for your advice.
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#166464 - 19/06/2003 12:06
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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The reason I did it that way was really to save space... If I use up 4 lines for my contact info, I have to take something out of my experience I don't know if now is the right time for you, but many jobs ago, I gave up on trying to fit my entire resume on one page. I don't know if it's good or not, but there's just no way I could possibly do it now.
I've heard from folks not to bother having an ``Objective'' section. Your objective is to get a job. Most recruiters overlook it altogether. If you feel the need to explain why you're submitting the resume, attach a cover letter.
This is just me, but ``Unix Shell'' and ``Assembly'' are both pretty vague. Tell which shell and which assembler (M68k, x86, PPC, Sparc, whatever). Also, ``UNIX'' is only used to refer to System V. Unless that's what you really mean, just use ``Unix''.
``refactor''??? What's that mean?
If your DoD clearances are still valid, I'd list them up top.
Kill the line about references at the bottom. They know to ask.
Also, the layout seems a little funny. Things are not quite lined up properly -- specifically, things after bullets and the stuff after the categories in the ``Skills'' section.
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#166465 - 19/06/2003 12:42
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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addict
Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 498
Loc: Virginia, USA
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Overall, I think it's a good resume. But these are my suggestions.
I don't see any need to force it to fit on one page. You have enough experience to justify 2 pages.
The objective as written is a waste of space. I think objectives can be worthwhile if you use them to say something interesting about yourself or the type of job you want.
Mention the technologies used in your experience section. It's OK that they are mentioned both in skills and experience. It is suspicious when a resume has a laundry list of acronyms with no mention of how they were applied.
I agree with what others said about there being too many differing font looks and indentation levels.
Definitely emphasize the clearances if they are still active and you still want that sort of job. (yuck)
Most importantly, sell yourself more. I don't believe that resumes need to be this dry list of skills and job tasks. Why are you special? What makes you better then the other guys who have the same skillset? Were you important in turning around a failing project? Did you design something particularly noteworthy? Have you led other developers? Did you receive praise, recognition from other departments or the company? My goal in writing a resume is to make the reader believe that I'm a star - I'm one of the people that makes a project successful. Lots of guys can slog code.
-Dylan
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#166466 - 19/06/2003 12:45
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I don't know if now is the right time for you, but many jobs ago, I gave up on trying to fit my entire resume on one page. I don't know if it's good or not, but there's just no way I could possibly do it now. I have been told countless times that managers throw away multi-page resumes. This may be FUD, but I bought it. I've heard from folks not to bother having an ``Objective'' section. Your objective is to get a job. Most recruiters overlook it altogether. If you feel the need to explain why you're submitting the resume, attach a cover letter. Hmmm. While I agree with your rationale, isn't removing the objective section a little... radical? I've never seen a resume without one. This is just me, but ``Unix Shell'' and ``Assembly'' are both pretty vague. Tell which shell and which assembler (M68k, x86, PPC, Sparc, whatever). Also, ``UNIX'' is only used to refer to System V. Unless that's what you really mean, just use ``Unix''. For the assembly stuff, I've done both x86 and M68k, no SPARC. As for shells, I know all the major ones, so I didn't see the need to specify one single shell. Everyone pretty much uses bash or ksh in my experience, and if they use csh, I can certainly adapt to that.
As for UNIX vs. Unix I didn't know about that subtle distinction, so I'll fix that.
``refactor''??? What's that mean? Refactoring is mostly an OO concept, but I've applied the concepts to C programs as well. It basically means redesigning the internals of a piece of software to make it more scalable, extensible, flexible, etc. In the example I'm citing, I was put in charge of taking our security software and cleaning up a lot of spaghetti code that was preventing our software from growing. You look at the class structure, cohesion and coupling, etc. and try to find an ideal design that doesn't cause problems in other parts of the system, and is easily understood when you go to add on a garage or a ceiling fan six months later.
People have been doing these kind of code cleanups since punch cards, but it has a name now, and even a book or three. My intention was to show that I was put in charge (from the technical end, anyway) of a complete redesign and rewrite process. The first few bullets talk about a lot of the new development I've done, but I wanted to also show I'm no one-trick pony and can work with legacy stuff as well.
If your DoD clearances are still valid, I'd list them up top. The SCI clearance disappeared when I left Lockheed, I think the Secret clearance stayed with me for a few years, but is almost certainly expired by now. I only listed it to show that I did *receive* those clearances, and would have no trouble reapplying should the need arise. Kill the line about references at the bottom. They know to ask. Will do. Also, the layout seems a little funny. Things are not quite lined up properly -- specifically, things after bullets and the stuff after the categories in the ``Skills'' section. Yeah, the layout was bugging me a little. I've tried six or seven different things and none have worked. None of the canned resume samples ever leave me very happy either. I'll work with it.
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#166467 - 19/06/2003 13:01
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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veteran
Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
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I've never seen a resume without one.
Mine doesn't have one.
I tend to agree with Bitt, every one knows you're obviously looking to get hired.
Speaking of resumes, mine seriously needs to be updated and "killed" as well. 
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#166468 - 19/06/2003 13:05
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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old hand
Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 828
Loc: Texas, USA
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Hmmm, first reaction is nothing really stands outs. Unless required to limit your resume to one page, I would lengthen it to two pages and use white space to offset what you want to be asked about in an interview.
I'd have to say leave off the objective also and include an objective or reasons you're applying in a cover letter. In place of an objective, you can include a personal summary but its not necessary. I would suggest tailoring your skills section to match the job that you are applying for. Cut down on the skills listed and explain exactly how proficient you are with a relevant technology that is needed for the job. If you are applying for a specific job, play up any relevant skills in your experience section also.
The biggest thing we used to coach folks on when we were doing campus recruiting was to highlight the things that made you different and valuable and play down or exclude the things that made you the same. The rule of thumb is only include it if you can really sell yourself with it.
I'd change the Vanguard security role to "Responsible for web site security for 2 million shareholders including:
Designing, developing, and maintaining software for security, authentication, authorization, and encryption
etc...
If you have them, numbers to show size are very helpful. For instance, Initiated design and code reviews of technical architecture and infrastructure services that resulted in a 5% decrease in defects
You just finished a Master program but did not include grades. I would ask in an interview what your grades were if you didn't include them.
Did you get your Master's while working full time at Vanguard? If so, I'd make mention of that.
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#166469 - 19/06/2003 13:10
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: wfaulk]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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``refactor''??? What's that mean?
Result of time-honored practice of 'code now, think later', only now Java and other OO crowd stopped hiding it.
In other words, Tony has experience in correcting other people's mistakes. Rare skill.
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#166470 - 19/06/2003 13:39
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Refactoring is mostly... I'll point out that I don't think I've ever heard that term before, and I'm in the IT field (though not closely related to programmers). Anyway, keep in mind that your resume is going to be looked at more by HR people than by tech people. As such, you might want to steer clear of non-popular jargon. You want the HR person to understand what you did. That's not to say that you shouldn't include some to make sure the tech people get it one they get their hands on it, but your first job is to make sure that it gets past the HR person to them.
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#166471 - 19/06/2003 16:23
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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I have been told countless times that managers throw away multi-page resumes. This may be FUD, but I bought it. At least in the UK, that's pure FUD. Looking too squished-up or padded-out counts against you more than having too many or too few pages AFAICS.
Hmmm. While I agree with your rationale, isn't removing the objective section a little... radical? I've never seen a resume without one. Again, this is maybe UK not US practice, but I hadn't hitherto seen a resume with one. I start mine (warning: well out of date!) with a short summary paragraph, 3-4 lines explaining what my background is, what stage in my career I'm at, and what my specialisations are -- not because I've ever seen such a thing elsewhere, but because recruitment agencies always attach their own cover sheet with their own such paragraph, and I'm trying to influence what they write in it.
Oh, and just in case you're applying for a job with a typography geek, never use underlines in typeset text, which includes Web pages and Word documents. Underlining is an ugly workaround way of indicating italicisation on typewriters which don't have italic characters.
Refactoring If you're applying for a job somewhere where no-one's heard of refactoring, be worried. It means they haven't looked in the software engineering section of a bookshop for five years or more.
Peter
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#166472 - 19/06/2003 16:56
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Thanks to everyone for your honest and thoughtful input! I'll kill several posts with one stone here, since my post count is already ridiculous, and I can't catch Mark or Tony anyway.
-> ricin
Mine doesn't have one. Yes, I see that. And, I'll definitely say that with a "Summary" section, the Objective section seems a lot less important. I'll go that route instead. I just couldn't see stripping the Objective section off of mine without having some kind of "intro" type material to start it off... Starting right off with Education or Experience or whatever just doesn't seem natural enough.
-> Mach
I'd have to say leave off the objective also and include an objective or reasons you're applying in a cover letter. In place of an objective, you can include a personal summary but its not necessary. I would suggest tailoring your skills section to match the job that you are applying for. Cut down on the skills listed and explain exactly how proficient you are with a relevant technology that is needed for the job. If you are applying for a specific job, play up any relevant skills in your experience section also. I also agree with customizing the resume for the job... But this is my first cut at getting my boilerplate resume together... As jobs come up that pique my interest, I'll press, change, and re-arrange things such that they're customized for those types of jobs. One job that jumped out at me deals with Linux, Apache, Perl type stuff, so I'll shuffle those to the head of the "skills" section and focus more on my Perl work, even though that's definitely a minority of what I do at Vanguard these days.
I won't cut and paste the other suggestions, but I agree with all of them... Though I will say that finding numbers to back things up may be difficult in many cases.. To tell you the truth, if someone told me anything they did led to a 5% decrease in defects, I'd ask them to prove that it was *their* actions that did it, and not someone else, or pure luck, or the winds of change.... It's also SO easy to cook the books with defect rates, because everyone's idea of what constitutes a defect versus a new feature request differs, and I could very easily "cut in half" my software's defect rate by combining software change requests that seem related in some way... Too much wiggle room, y'know? The whole "bug vs. feature" discussion.
Oh, and my GPA for my Masters program was a 3.81... But I'd rather not put it on my resume because then I'd be expected to put down my undergrad GPA, which was far less stellar. I don't have a problem with them asking it in an interview, of course, but just putting my graduate GPA would, in my opinion, make me look like I'm hiding my earlier grades. And yes, I did finish while working fulltime at Vanguard, but how should I put that into words in a resume?
-> peter
Oh, and just in case you're applying for a job with a typography geek, never use underlines in typeset text, which includes Web pages and Word documents. Underlining is an ugly workaround way of indicating italicisation on typewriters which don't have italic characters. Hmm.. Okay, underlines are out. I tried to use them sparingly just to visually offset the dates, but I guess I can find a better way to do that with whitespace or bold or something.
If you're applying for a job somewhere where no-one's heard of refactoring, be worried. It means they haven't looked in the software engineering section of a bookshop for five years or more.
Yeah. I am going to leave the refactoring bit in, I think it's an important facet of what I've done in this job.
Anyway, thanks to everyone who's contributed, and especially those who've posted or sent me links to their own resumes to cheat from. I think between the suggestions here, the examples you guys have, and a little bit of soul-searching, I can come up with something a little more "catchy" than the drab resume I have right now. I *sincerely* appreciate your help.
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#166473 - 19/06/2003 17:10
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Ruled lines are okay. Just don't cheat and use underlines in their place.
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#166474 - 20/06/2003 09:27
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: Mach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
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Hmmm, first reaction is nothing really stands outs. Unless required to limit your resume to one page, I would lengthen it to two pages and use white space to offset what you want to be asked about in an interview.
As an alternative, you could treat the one-page resume as a "summary" and put a URL prominently that takes the reader to your "full" resume online. At that point, you could add all sorts of hyperlinks to your prior projects (assuming there's anything in public that describes your work).
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#166475 - 20/06/2003 09:31
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: DWallach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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put a URL prominently that takes the reader to your "full" resume online
I'd be wary of doing this. Anything that makes the HR person's job harder is likely to result in them totally ignoring your resume. At the very least, ensure that it's not required for them to find out about you.
And since everyone else is doing it, my CV is here. I ought to update the section on current employer, though ("SONICblue has recently emerged...") .
Edited by Roger (20/06/2003 09:33)
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#166476 - 20/06/2003 09:49
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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I'd be wary of doing this. Anything that makes the HR person's job harder is likely to result in them totally ignoring your resume. At the very least, ensure that it's not required for them to find out about you. Agreed. I get plenty(*) of moany emails from headhunters asking me for copies of mine in Word format, despite the fact that Word is perfectly capable of importing it from the website.
Put a URL in it anyway, though, if only so you can keep an eye on the server logs... 
Peter
(*) Actually not so many these days.
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#166477 - 20/06/2003 09:58
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Mine's in PDF, which you'd think was more widely available than Word, but nooooo. They want Word.
I hate Microsoft's hegemony.
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#166478 - 20/06/2003 12:20
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: wfaulk]
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addict
Registered: 05/05/2000
Posts: 623
Loc: Cambridge
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A friend of mine almost went out and bought MS Office just so he could prepare CVs for agencies. He offered RTF files but almost all refused them, even though he explained that they'd open fine in Word. He ended up just putting a .doc extention on an RTF file.
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#166479 - 20/06/2003 12:23
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
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I don't really have a prepared CV -- never needed one (yet). Maybe someday, though.
Cheers
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#166480 - 22/06/2003 06:28
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: Roger]
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enthusiast
Registered: 10/10/2000
Posts: 350
Loc: Copenhagen SW, Denmark
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OK, I also want my resume posted here :-)
http://dk.evang.no/~jane/cveng.html
I know it is not perfect, but I always include a personal letter when applying for a job.
I'll be out of a job from 1.aug onwards, and I'll be happy if anybody would know of a position in Denmark, Norway or the westcoast of Sweden. I might even be interresten in Northern Germany.
Marius (Escort Cab + 2CV)
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#166481 - 17/07/2003 12:43
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Well, bringing this thread back to ilfe, I've finally had some time to give my resume the attention it needed, and I think I'm on the right track, at least. I expanded it to two pages, and added a lot of detail about my skill set. I also junked the objective section and replaced it with a summary, not necessarily a summary I'm in love with right now, but certainly an upgrade. Where applicable, I also put the major skills I used while working on certain projects under my experience section.
Anyway, if anyone wants to take a look, it's at the same place. For comparison, the old version is also available. As before, I'm open to any and all comments regarding formatting, content, grammar, spelling, etc. I hope to start sending this out in the next couple weeks, and feel much better about my resume than I did before.
And don't be afraid to be harsh, if this is worse than before, tell me. I just want to get it right.
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#166482 - 17/07/2003 13:02
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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old hand
Registered: 20/03/2002
Posts: 729
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
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You're Hired.
- trs
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#166483 - 17/07/2003 13:07
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Auugh! Word HTML export! There is no worse way to generate HTML!
Actually, it doesn't look too bad on my system, but I have to wonder why lower-case `w's are being used as separators (as between the three sections on the line with your address and phone number).
On the other hand, if you're listing HTML as a skill, you might want to do it by hand. Unless you're just using this format for us to beat on.
I'm not sure that I'd tell about your external GPL-released stuff. A couple of companies I've worked for were nervous about that, in that it might have an affect on what you'd be writing for them. Weird but true.
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#166484 - 17/07/2003 13:59
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Yeah, I always do my HTML by hand (as evidenced by my empeg pages, etc.) but for a resume, when 90% of employers want it in Word format, I don't want to deal with maintaining two separate copies (one in hand-written HTML, one in Word.) So for the online copy of my resume, I'm just going to use Word's HTML export.
The lowercase W's are supposed to be bullets, and I'm guessing you don't have the font that the bullets are written in.
Yeah I'm not so certain about including my empeg work either, but I wanted to stress that I do stuff other than what my 9-5 job lets me do. Especially since all of my Linux knowledge comes from outside of work (we're evaluating Linux to replace Solaris, but it's a clandestine project that I don't get to work on.) I didn't think about the negative effect of GPL, but now that you mention it, I see where you're coming from.
Edit: Hmm. The bullet seems to just be in Verdana, which is what the rest of the doc is written in. That's probably a very Microsoft-specific font or something. I just tried viewing it in Netscape 7.02 on Windows, and it looks fine, but on Mozilla 1.01 on my Linux box, I see the very same "w" bullets. Hmm...
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#166485 - 17/07/2003 14:21
Re: Kill my resume!
[Re: tonyc]
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veteran
Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
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That's probably a very Microsoft-specific font or something. I just tried viewing it in Netscape 7.02 on Windows, and it looks fine, but on Mozilla 1.01 on my Linux box, I see the very same "w" bullets. Hmm...
On my Linux machine in Mozilla Firebird 0.6 it looks fine. I see the bullets, not the "w." I'd say It's a matter of having the font.
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#166486 - 17/07/2003 14:57
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Seems to me it should be • and not rely on a font anyway.
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#166487 - 17/07/2003 15:48
Re: Kill my resume!
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Indeed; Or use •.
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#166488 - 17/07/2003 17:57
Re: Kill my resume!
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If you run the HTML output through this it comes out very clean and pretty much intact.
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#166489 - 17/07/2003 19:18
Re: Kill my resume!
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carpal tunnel
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Or use •. Why? That assumes that the font the user will use happens to have a bullet at that location in the font. That's almost as bad as assuming a `w' will do. Besides, isn't it •?
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#166490 - 17/07/2003 19:38
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True. Well • has always worked for me. <shrug>
Here's a test. All three look the same in my browsers.
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