#183564 - 08/10/2003 00:04
More on copy protection for audio CDs...
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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I found this rather amusing.
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#183565 - 08/10/2003 00:18
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
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the thing i really hate about all this extra stuff added onto cds is less music. im tired of getting cds that are 40 minutes long because theyve got 1(one) 160x120
.mov video on them and a bunch of useless flash menus. id like an hours worth of music for my hard earned cash that i choose to spend on over priced products.
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#183566 - 08/10/2003 00:24
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: RobotCaleb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I remember once upon a time when albums were pressed on vinyl and were in the neighborhood of 45 to 50 minutes long. When ten songs was an album instead of 15...
But to be fair, albums which contain extras might be that way simply because there was room after the artist was done making all the music they intended to make. You might be putting the cart before the horse there.
And honestly, I'd rather have a serious piece of work that happened to be shorter than an hour, than to have an album padded with a couple of mediocre filler songs or additional repeats of choruses just to make it 74 minutes long.
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#183567 - 08/10/2003 00:34
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
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good points all, but if theres room, give me something worth not being able to see my audio tracks in winamp because theyre on the second track. or first. or whatever it is.
im not saying dont fill a cd just cause theres space. if your going to fill it with extra info, try to not make it so crappy.
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#183568 - 08/10/2003 05:31
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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I LOVE this quote from the article: Copy management is intended as a speed bump, intended to thwart the casual listener from mass burning and uploading. . . . because clearly it is the casual listener that is mass burning and uploading. This statement is proof that these guys don't get it at all. A "speed bump" isn't going to prevent even a fraction of music from getting placed on the interent.
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#183569 - 08/10/2003 07:14
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Since we're on the topic of copyright protection and piracy... I thought this article was very interesting as well.
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#183570 - 08/10/2003 07:26
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: JeffS]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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This quote got me...
Moreover, anyone who doesn't load the software won't get access to the second session tracks, which on future CDs will increasingly include videos and other bonus material, record company insiders say.
Does this mean they've magically hidden the bonus material? That you have to have special software to explore the contents of the CD?? Does that mean they're going to start encrypting stuff on cd's? What about the people that don't listen to cd's in the PC? does that mean they won't have access to the second session tracks? it all seems a bit silly...
Personally I wouldn't trust any software loaded from CD's, too much legal spyware floating around, and quite frankly if I had a dime for everytime I had to dig through my registry and pull crap outta the startup section over legitimate software I'd be freakin rich... I can only imagine what some two bit security company in bed with the music industry would try to load on my machine.
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#183571 - 08/10/2003 07:27
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: lopan]
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addict
Registered: 20/11/2001
Posts: 455
Loc: Texas
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Does anyone know much about Peerguardian? How does it work?
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#183572 - 08/10/2003 07:35
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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the act of holding down the Shift key in order to enable copying does let computer users know they're doing something unauthorized How about those who regularly disable AutoRun completely? How about those who use other OSes? This is a joke.
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#183573 - 08/10/2003 07:38
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: blitz]
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Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Hadn't heard of it til you brought it up. Did a little looking and got this nice little description...
PeerGuardian is a tiny firewall program especially designed for P2P software users, but also to anyone who is concerned about the investigations that corporations and authorities perform on the internet. PeerGurdian blocks connections for the configured IP ranges and logs the blocked connections. It uses an online IP database for the blocking, but IP ranges can also be configured manually. Pre-cofigured for blocking are RIAA, MPAA and many others.
Looks like some pretty decent CYA software... I just downloaded it, I'm going to check it out, I've been looking for something like this. Not that I do a lot of illegal file sharing, I just don't like the idea of someone having free range to scan or conduct an investigation on me...
Edited by lopan (08/10/2003 08:07)
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#183574 - 08/10/2003 08:16
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 30/05/2002
Posts: 695
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I still don't like the part where copyright protection can be implemented at all. I mean, any form of this that is successful takes away my legal right to make a copy of a medium I buy for personal use. At least I thought I was allowed to do that. The law doesn't say which formats I may or may not use (yet) for this purpose.
I'm just a guy who buys CDs, rips them to mp3 (soon ogg, I hope), and puts them on his portable player. But once again, everyone in the class is screwed because of one bad egg. Or in this case, several bad eggs that actively engage in pirating music/movies/software.
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#183575 - 10/10/2003 06:46
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: DeadFire]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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Oh for [censored] sake. This is stupid. The company is sueing the student because he worked out that if you turn off AutoRun then it disables their copy protection!
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#183576 - 10/10/2003 07:15
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tman]
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Registered: 27/02/2001
Posts: 569
Loc: Albany, NY
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If anyone out there owns SunComm stock, you better sell it off. It appears that the powers that be at SunComm have lost touch with reality.
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#183577 - 10/10/2003 07:23
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: rtundo]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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If anyone out there owns SunComm stock, you better sell it off. Apparently everyone is doing just that, which is their whole problem...
Peter
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#183578 - 10/10/2003 07:41
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tman]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Oh for [censored] sake. This is stupid.
Agreed, something has to be done about frivolous lawsuits and all the stupidity driving the RIAA and its cronies..... Now would be a great time to start a non-profit to benefit the victims of the RIAA and others, I'm sure the support for something like that would be unprecedented.
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#183579 - 10/10/2003 08:48
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: lopan]
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Registered: 20/11/2001
Posts: 455
Loc: Texas
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something has to be done about frivolous lawsuits
Frivolous lawsuits are not limited to the RIAA and its cronies.
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#183580 - 10/10/2003 08:51
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tman]
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enthusiast
Registered: 21/08/1999
Posts: 381
Loc: Northern Ireland
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My favourite bit from their press release is this:
In reply to:
Concluded Jacobs, "This cat-and-mouse game that hackers and others like to play with owners of digital property is over. No matter what their credentials or rationale, it is wrong to use one's knowledge and the cover of academia to facilitate piracy and theft of digital property. SunnComm is taking a stand here because we believe that those who own property, whether physical or digital, have the ultimate authority over how their property is used. Owning copying technology is not an unconditional 'free pass' to replicate or distribute protected work."
I own my computer, and the hard drive in it, so surely by SunComm's own argument I must also have the ultimate authority over how my property is used..... 
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#183581 - 10/10/2003 08:56
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: blitz]
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Registered: 27/02/2001
Posts: 569
Loc: Albany, NY
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I think it goes beyond frivolous lawsuits. It's trying to profit on flawed (low quality) product (IMO), then when it's exposed as such to blame the person who exposed it instead of taking responsibility themselves and admitting that maybe just maybe they were trying to sell crap to their clients.
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#183582 - 10/10/2003 08:59
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: blitz]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Well yeah, frivolous lawsuits have always been around, but it seems these guys are taking it a bit too far....
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#183583 - 10/10/2003 10:03
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: rtundo]
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Registered: 20/11/2001
Posts: 455
Loc: Texas
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My point is there are lots of laws out there simply because there are lots of lawyers out there. The DMCA is just one example.
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#183584 - 10/10/2003 10:19
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: rtundo]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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It's trying to profit on flawed (low quality) product (IMO), then when it's exposed as such to blame the person who exposed it instead of taking responsibility themselves and admitting that maybe just maybe they were trying to sell crap to their clients. oooo! Could I start suing users who find bugs in our software and call our helpdesk. You know, as the'd be exploiting our application and all . . .
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#183585 - 10/10/2003 12:33
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: tman]
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#183586 - 10/10/2003 13:37
Re: More on copy protection for audio CDs...
[Re: Jerz]
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old hand
Registered: 18/08/2000
Posts: 992
Loc: Georgetown, TX USA
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SunnComm won't sue grad student
Instead they'll just fire, then sue, the employee that made the original press release... They gotta recover the $10M of market valure they claim they lost somehow, right?
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