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#202391 - 03/02/2004 16:39 Erm, this is interesting
furtive
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Would be interested to hear what you over the Fox side of the pond think of this.

I am shocked at such amazing and blatent proaganda

http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm
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#202392 - 03/02/2004 16:44 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: furtive]
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#202393 - 03/02/2004 16:58 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: furtive]
genixia
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That is outrageous. I knew I stopped watching Fox News for a reason.
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#202394 - 03/02/2004 17:02 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: tfabris]
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Agreed.
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#202395 - 03/02/2004 17:21 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: pgrzelak]
loren
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Dammit, i wish i could find it... i read some other biting reviews of Fox news today from a high up official. Anyhow... that's pretty damn amazing.

Check out some of what General Clark's son had to say today. Pretty interesting stuff. Tons of other goodies at The Agonist.
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#202396 - 03/02/2004 18:48 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: loren]
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Those of you that get the Sundance Channel ought to check out Tanner '88 that they start showing tonight. It was a miniseries about an ill-fated presidential campaign back in 1988 (obviously) directed by Robert Altman. (It's not new; it was originally broadcast back then, too.) I bet it has the same viewpoint on campaign politics that Clark's son has.

And I appreciate Clark, Jr.'s candor.
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#202397 - 03/02/2004 19:03 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: furtive]
wfaulk
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Is there any substance to his claim that Gilligan said the Iraqi military was ``heroically repulsing the American military''? I can't find anything to back that up at all.
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#202398 - 03/02/2004 19:47 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: wfaulk]
andy
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I've found his Baghdad Airport report that people are talking about:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/39050000/rm/_39050039_iraq_gilligan_vi.ram

In the report he never claims to have made it to the airport itself, he was turned away by the Iraqis on the approach road. There seem to be plenty of web pages having a go at Gilligan, saying that he claimed to go to the airport and the Iraqis were in control of it. This does not seem to be borne out by the content of his report, in which he states that he does not know whether the Americans are at the airport or not.
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#202399 - 03/02/2004 19:50 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: andy]
andy
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This article talks about the Fox piece:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=487190
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#202400 - 03/02/2004 19:54 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: wfaulk]
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I can't find anything to back his claims up at all. To suggest that the BBC is anti-American is ludicrous. Sure, us Brits (including the journalists) may take issue with certain American actions and issues - Bush's illegal steel tariffs spring to mind here, but "anti-American, pro-Iraqi" (ie pro-Saddam) ?!
Furthermore, I don't recall _ever_ hearing the BBC themselves claim that they were more independant and less biased than other news outlets. So the next time that i do hear them claim that will be the first. "Fair and Balanced" news anyone?

Whatever he's been smoking must be illegal..
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#202401 - 03/02/2004 20:03 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: genixia]
andy
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Furthermore, I don't recall _ever_ hearing the BBC themselves claim that they were more independant and less biased than other news outlets

No, but they do come close:

All our journalism strives to be impartial, fair and accurate. Our strength is in the depth of knowledge in our journalism, the quality of analysis and range of subjects, original first hand reporting and investigations from around the world...

...BBC News is respected both in the UK and around the world for the strength of its journalism and impartiality. Since the first radio news bulletins almost 80 years ago, BBC News has become the first place people turn to during big news events.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/aboutbbcnews/hi/this_is_bbc_news/newsid_3281000/3281229.stm

I would definitely trust the BBC news output above any other news service I have come into contact with.

They can prise the BBC from my cold dead fingers, or something like that.
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#202402 - 03/02/2004 22:41 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: furtive]
ithoughti
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ummm, I think that was an editorial.

sure it was a bunch of hoohaa, but who cares? It was just that guy's oppinion. At least that's how I took it.
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#202403 - 04/02/2004 02:05 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: andy]
furtive
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In reply to:

I would definitely trust the BBC news output above any other news service I have come into contact with.




*cough*Reuters*cough*
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#202404 - 04/02/2004 08:56 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: ithoughti]
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I'm not familiar with the guy's show, so I could be off base here, but allowing the same person who presents the news deliver an editorial is reprehensible.
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#202405 - 04/02/2004 09:19 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: ithoughti]
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Agreed...seems to be an editorial...not an official stance by the station. I see nothing wrong with it.
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#202406 - 04/02/2004 16:27 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: JBjorgen]
andy
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Agreed...seems to be an editorial...not an official stance by the station. I see nothing wrong with it.

I guess that is just another difference between US and UK TV. I can't think of a UK TV station that would have one of their news reporters or presenters deliverying a editorial peice like this. If they want someone's strong opinion like this they would bring someone in who was clearly not part of the station.
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#202407 - 06/02/2004 07:52 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: furtive]
rob
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Of course this couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Fox is owned by News Corp, owners of the major BBC competitor Sky. BBC News 24 and Sky News are the two main competing news channels on digital TV in the UK.

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#202408 - 06/02/2004 08:46 Re: Erm, this is interesting [Re: rob]
wfaulk
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I did not know that News Corp owned Sky. I'll have to tuck that info away.
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