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#232759 - 07/09/2004 12:34 Hard Drive Reliability Poll
philp69
journeyman

Registered: 29/04/2001
Posts: 87
Loc: Long Island, NY
The company I work for is considering using hard drives on our on-board PC-based computer for mass transit buses. This is based on my suggestion that the hard drives appear to be reliable in an automotive environment, using my empeg experience as a reference (60 GB running for 3 years without a hitch).

So, I guess I'd like ask what other users have experienced: Maybe some of the original empeg team could share some of their experiences in servicing the empeg.

I appreciate any feedback you may be able to provide.

Cheers,
Phil

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Note: I made a few typo's on the "Warmest temperature" question (thanks Mark)

If you are using degress F:
30C = 86F
40C = 104F
50C = 122F
60C = 140F
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How many years has your empeg been in service?
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How many drive failures have you experienced?
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How may miles do you drive a year?
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What is the coldest temperature that you successfully used your empeg in (from a cold boot at ambient temperature)?
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What is the warmest temperature that you successfully used your empeg in (from a cold boot at ambient temperature)?
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Edited by philp69 (07/09/2004 13:54)

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#232760 - 07/09/2004 12:38 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
I registered 3 failures. 2 Fujitsu and 1 IBM Travelstar. Each of them 30GB drives.
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#232761 - 07/09/2004 13:31 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14488
Loc: Canada
The temperature conversions given are entirely inaccurate.. For example, 40C is actually about 104F, not 86F.

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#232762 - 07/09/2004 13:55 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: mlord]
philp69
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Registered: 29/04/2001
Posts: 87
Loc: Long Island, NY
Thanks Mark.
Cut-and-paste error on my part - corrected.

Phil
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#232763 - 07/09/2004 14:32 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
For the temperature : you say : less than 30 C, and then the second option is : 40-50C. So you leave a 10C gap. I would have picked 30-40C if the option had been there.
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#232764 - 07/09/2004 14:37 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31584
Loc: Seattle, WA
I don't think a 100-percent uptime, 100-percent installed system on a city bus can be compared to the empeg. My empeg gets pulled out of the car except when I'm driving. For instance, it gets really hot and really cold in my car when it's parked, I'd assume the same thing would happen on a city bus...
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#232765 - 07/09/2004 16:04 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14488
Loc: Canada
Mmm.. still looks incorrect to me now.

Cheers

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#232766 - 07/09/2004 18:03 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: BartDG]
philp69
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Registered: 29/04/2001
Posts: 87
Loc: Long Island, NY
Good point - I guess I missed that one. Anyone know if you can edit a poll? I looked around and didn't see any way to do it.

Thanks,
Phil
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#232767 - 07/09/2004 18:08 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: tfabris]
philp69
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Registered: 29/04/2001
Posts: 87
Loc: Long Island, NY
Good point Tony. I leave my unit installed 95% of the time, but I know a lot if not most people take it inside with them.

Add another question to the list...
Do you leave your empeg installed most of the time?
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#232768 - 07/09/2004 20:21 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: robricc]
philp69
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Registered: 29/04/2001
Posts: 87
Loc: Long Island, NY
Rob,
Were the failures catastrophic or gradual? Any idea on what the actual failures were?

Thanks,
Phil
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#232769 - 07/09/2004 21:55 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: robricc]
Waterman981
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Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 804
Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
I had 2 faliures, both 30GB Fujitsu drives. My 3rd 30GB Fujitsu though has been solid for a year and a half now. Both went into the click of death pretty suddenly.
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#232770 - 07/09/2004 22:09 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
The Fujitsu drives just died one after another. The IBM drive is still in my Viggen Mk2 and has some problem when spinning up. You will hear it getting power but about half the time the drive refuses to move the head (just judging by sound).

Travelstars have been the best in my opinion.
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#232771 - 08/09/2004 01:59 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
Sounds like you want to talk to a sys admin from the Highway Patrol.
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#232772 - 08/09/2004 06:30 Re: Hard Drive Reliability Poll [Re: philp69]
David
addict

Registered: 05/05/2000
Posts: 623
Loc: Cambridge
If memory serves, we used Toshiba, IBM and Fujitsu drives. As far as brand differences go I found them all to be as reliable as each other.

We did have a lot of Fujitsu drives fail, but that may have been down to the spindle pressure problem and the fact that we manufactured more players with those drives.

Players with good drive mountings and intact cables rarely had problems, at least while they were within the warranty period.

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