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#248089 - 30/01/2005 21:22 reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate?
newguy1
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Registered: 26/01/2002
Posts: 278
Loc: Massachusetts,USA
I'm thinking of getting a portable 256mb sized player(not sure which one).
Most of the files on my empeg are encoded at lame alt preset standard.
To save space on the portable i'd like to convert them to a smaller file.Is this possable or do I need to just encode the originals themselves to a smaller file?
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#248090 - 30/01/2005 21:30 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
Re-encoding your mp3s will result in poorer quality. I'd recommend you rip them from the original wave files if you have them. If you don't then you'll have to convert the mp3s to wave files and re-encode. It probably won't matter too much to be honest as portable devices aren't usually used for audiophillic purposes - unless your a die-hard member of this bbs

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#248091 - 30/01/2005 21:32 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
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I'm sure you can do this, but you have to consider that re-encoding an already lossy encoded file to an even lower bitrate is going to result in a much lower quality file than re-encoding the original .wav. (or flac - basically lossless) file to that lower bitrate.

Edit. Philip beat me to it


Edited by Archeon (30/01/2005 21:32)
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#248092 - 30/01/2005 21:32 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Most of the files on my empeg are encoded at lame alt preset standard.

Since you're using LAME already, If I recall correctly, LAME will accept another MP3 as input file, and will transcode for you in a single step.

If not, I'm certain that LAME can also decode to WAV using the proper command-line parameters, then you can re-encode those files to the worse bitrate.
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#248093 - 30/01/2005 21:37 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
newguy1
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Registered: 26/01/2002
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Loc: Massachusetts,USA
Is this how most people put files on their portables or do they just use the same sized file and not worry about size.
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#248094 - 30/01/2005 21:46 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: tfabris]
newguy1
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Registered: 26/01/2002
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Loc: Massachusetts,USA
If I decode back to wav, will the resulting wav be the same as the original?
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#248095 - 30/01/2005 21:55 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
andy
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No, the wav file will be degraded compared to the original.
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#248096 - 30/01/2005 22:05 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Is this how most people put files on their portables or do they just use the same sized file and not worry about size.

Some do. Depends on whether they care about the music quality.

Personally, I was never into portable flash players because I care deeply about the quality and can't stand to listen to songs at 96kbps. Not until hard disk players like the Karma came around were portables interesting to me.

Some portables will automatically do it for you in their loading software: Transcode as the songs are being uploaded. Since you're thinking about getting a portable, perhaps you could research and find out which ones have this feature.

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If I decode back to wav, will the resulting wav be the same as the original?

No, you're missing the concept of what lossy compression is. Click here.
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#248097 - 30/01/2005 22:08 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: tfabris]
newguy1
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Registered: 26/01/2002
Posts: 278
Loc: Massachusetts,USA
Looks like I may have to just get a larger capacity player and not worry about size.
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#248098 - 31/01/2005 14:21 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
I have a really old version of Music Match and I use it to batch convert mp3s from VBR to 96kps. It's doing the same thing as other programs: convert to wav, convert back to lower quality mp3. But it will a bunch at once, works pretty fast on a decent CPU and will automatically transfer the tag info.

The version I have is WAY old however. I paid for it and never saw much point in upgrading and paying all over again. So I can't comment on how easy this is to do on the latest release.
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#248099 - 31/01/2005 14:44 Re: reencoding mp3s to a lower bitrate? [Re: newguy1]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 828
Loc: Texas, USA
As Tony mentioned you can transcode with Lame. Here's the batch file that I use when I want to add songs to my flash player. Change the paths accordingly. You can adjust the parameters to dial in size vs quality. Google for the correct syntax.

for %%f in (*.mp3) do lame.exe -h -V7 --vbr-new -q0 --lowpass 17.5 --athaa-sensitivity 1 --mp3input "N:\Various Artists\Mo Music\X\%%f" "N:\Various Artists\Rio\%%f"

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