#292960 - 30/03/2007 19:14
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: gbeer]
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This is to make the total depth less? And here I as wondering about just the opposite case where the enclosure would need to set on it's bottom with the cable exiting the rear.
For that situation, you'll be wanting that middle connector, but maybe not the other one.
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#292961 - 31/03/2007 08:58
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: mlord]
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And, by the way, is there any way to re-route the connector on the empeg end, so that I could replace the "original" front panel with a blank (with no cable sticking out)?
My problem is that I want to leave the empeg in the original DIN-size slot in the Morgan - but it is really far in and low down under the dash, so it's impossible to see properly when driving. But I also don't want any geeky-looking flat cables protruding from the panel...
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#292962 - 31/03/2007 11:40
Re: We Have Lights!
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And, by the way, is there any way to re-route the connector on the empeg end, so that I could replace the "original" front panel with a blank (with no cable sticking out)?
My problem is that I want to leave the empeg in the original DIN-size slot in the Morgan - but it is really far in and low down under the dash, so it's impossible to see properly when driving. But I also don't want any geeky-looking flat cables protruding from the panel...
The empeg end board (transmitter) is very simple, and normally mounts in place of the display board. It is more recessed, but the connector will still protrude to about flush with where the front of the original display was. The ribbon cable connector then plugs into this, and protrudes significantly from there.
Reversing this board is not really feasible, because (1) it's internal ribbon cable is too short (and is soldered onto the transmitter board), and (2) the connector would then hit the drive tray and drives -- it's centered in the opening, so it will hit *both* drives. Had it been offset, then it could fit internally more easily with a single drive setup.
The solution I see to this, is to hack it up. There is no circuitry outside of the middle 8cm or so of the transmitter board. So the board could be cut up and made *much* smaller, and then adapted to mount in the drive tray of a single drive system.
Again, the short internal ribbon cable on it is an issue, and will need to be replaced with a proper pin header and a new longer cable with connectors on each end. Alternatively, a small slot could be cut into the middle of the drive tray (harmless) to allow the stock short cable to feed through to the mainboard underneath. I like the latter.
Cheers
Mark ("a solution for anything, almost").
Edited by mlord (31/03/2007 11:43)
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#292963 - 31/03/2007 11:47
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: mlord]
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Of course, a problem with all of this, is that the empeg would then be more difficult to "unplug" and remove from the vehicle for uploading new tunes onto. To counter this, a second pair of DB25 connectors could be installed in the large ribbon cable, somewhere close to the player. These would need to be unplugged from each other when removing the player. How you feed them through the top of the sled is your own problem 
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#292964 - 31/03/2007 20:56
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[Re: julf]
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The replacement cover doesn't have to be flat. It can have a pocket milled in the back. Or any other suitable adaptation.
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#292965 - 31/03/2007 21:09
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: gbeer]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/01/2002
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The replacement cover doesn't have to be flat. It can have a pocket milled in the back. Or any other suitable adaptation.
If it did need to be flat you could solder each of the 25 conductors to their corresponding holes.
Stu
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#292966 - 01/04/2007 05:51
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: maczrool]
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If it did need to be flat you could solder each of the 25 conductors to their corresponding holes.
That might be the easiest solution.
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#292967 - 01/04/2007 12:43
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: gbeer]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
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Right, seems there's a need for a cover on the empeg which has the remote display board mounted. Don't want dust and dirt getting in there, and in Julf's case, you'd want it to look decent. Maybe a simple blanking panel with the appropriate screw holes and a spot for the cable to be routed up, down, and otherwise. Maybe if some heavy black plastic stock could be bought, a panel could be routed and drilled to fit.
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#292968 - 01/04/2007 13:44
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A nice black plastic (or wood) panel, and self-adhesive velcro, I think.
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#292969 - 05/04/2007 03:57
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: mlord]
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stranger
Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
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Anybody get their display extenders? Any pictures?
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#292970 - 05/04/2007 09:16
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: MarkM]
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Actually, the first 5 from us should be shipped as of today. There was a bit of a problem sourcing one of the parts, but I'm confident that the last 5 will ship by next week and the following week.
Stu
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#292971 - 08/04/2007 20:16
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: maczrool]
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I don't want to miss the second order prepayment notice. I'll be watching this thread for the update.
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#292972 - 20/04/2007 01:09
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pooh-bah
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The remaining units from the first batch should be shipping tomorrow or Saturday, so I will begin contacting the rest on the list shortly.
Stu
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#292973 - 23/04/2007 18:01
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[Re: maczrool]
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pooh-bah
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I've sent notices to everyone on the latest list in this thread so check your e-mail and PMs! If you are not on the list and would like one, it's not yet too late to be included. Just PM me ASAP.
Thanks,
Stu
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#292974 - 23/04/2007 18:39
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You know Mark, I'm embarrassed to see that I never thanked you for your help here - I was so busy figuring things out after seeing your drawings that I just forgot. So "Thanks" 
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#292975 - 24/04/2007 14:13
Re: We Have Lights!
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So I've replied ... 1 of 10
Anyone else...
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#292976 - 24/04/2007 15:40
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So far 9 positive responses for 9 sets.
Stu
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#292977 - 26/04/2007 01:30
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[Re: maczrool]
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Stu, My extender arrived today, all in good shape. Thanks, Glenn
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#292978 - 26/04/2007 01:55
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pooh-bah
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Cool! Enjoy.
Stu
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#292979 - 26/04/2007 23:51
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Stu, My extender arrived today, all in good shape. Thanks, Glenn
Mee 2! Woop! Woop! Woop!
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#292980 - 27/04/2007 04:28
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[Re: LittleBlueThing]
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stranger
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Hi LittleBlueThing,
Not a problem. Hope the rough drawings at least explained the concept.
Since then, I've been thinking about how I'd make a router template for the front of a pod. We hired this out to a company that did high end auto installations. It could be a little tricky to route out the shape while leaving just enough space for a vinyl wrap. I looked around for the old pod. I figured it would be in a box somewhere, but maybe it ended up in the trash.
If I find time, I might grab an old plastic front and see if I can make a teplate and post pictures. I like wood working and wouldn't mind wasting a few pieces of MDF to get it right.
Hope to see install pics soon from folks...
Mark
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#292981 - 27/04/2007 11:07
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[Re: MarkM]
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Yes they did.
I'm waiting until I get the real thing now so I can see how it looks "in the plastic".
I have a spare empeg plastic surround too - been wondering how to make it look 'right' without the handle.
I considered making a replica from wood but I think it would be very tricky without the right tools - probably some kind of *tiny* bandsaw. Would love access to a workshop to try though <sigh>.
Since I've a spare, I may just trim off those lumps at the side and recess it into any pod.
Something just occurred to me - I could just mount the whole empeg in the boot and make some buttons and connect them via the steering wheel connector. Might be worth trying just to get some sound and then do the facia fit later...
Hmm....
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#292982 - 30/04/2007 19:47
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[Re: LittleBlueThing]
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stranger
Registered: 11/12/2000
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Pictures of fabricated pod.
Maybe this will help others seeing what can be done with a fair amount of fabrication effort.
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298481-pod.zip (351 downloads)
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#292983 - 30/04/2007 21:00
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: MarkM]
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Pictures of fabricated pod.
Maybe this will help others seeing what can be done with a fair amount of fabrication effort.
Ahh.. looks like you took the easy way out, and decided not to try and house the comms board.
Lots of good possibilities for just the display -- quite a bit thinner that way.
But what about that other half?
Cheers
Edited by mlord (30/04/2007 21:02)
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#292984 - 30/04/2007 23:58
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
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"other half" meaning the empeg-side of the extender? Or, meaning the faceless empeg itself? Either way, good question: how to keep the empeg's electronics-laiden bare face safe in an auto environment.
By the way, that custom pod is beautiful! How did you ever get the button hole sizes just right. They have to be perfect size AND bevel to hold the buttons in place.
Some day, some day, we'll see the install pr0n of that top secret big money install.
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#292985 - 01/05/2007 01:44
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"other half" meaning the empeg-side of the extender?
Meaning the board in the left side of the above photo that's not inside the nicely moulded enclosure.
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#292986 - 01/05/2007 01:55
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stranger
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA
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Hmmm, doubt you'll see any more pictures. I've already posted two pod examples. I like this one best because it makes the front of the player look nice. I don't know anything more about how this was installed. It wasn't in the trash, but something like that. There are a couple of holes in the base - maybe it was screwed down. I was told that the cutouts for the buttons were done with a pin router. Google it. I gotta get me one of those - and a decent router table - and a bigger garage. The buttons functioned very well, but the selector knob was recessed quite a bit. The curves and finish detail on the front was outstanding. Very thin vinyl was used for the skin. We typically didn't do a thing to dress up the player side, since it was in the trunk. I did build a custom box one time with a smoked plexiglass top and curved plexiglass hinged front. I made it so a piece of luggage could bash into it, yet it could swing up for easy access to remove the player. Be careful removing the cable on the player. I modded the cable connector so it wasn't so tight. Mark
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#292987 - 02/05/2007 01:13
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: MarkM]
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...I was told that the cutouts for the buttons were done with a pin router. Google it. I gotta get me one of those ....
A while back, saw a bunch of equipment being auctioned for some bankrupt car stereo place -- Innovative Somethingorother -- and I think it included one of those. I should have tried to get it.
(Edit: Oh, 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0)
Edited by jimhogan (02/05/2007 01:37)
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#292988 - 02/05/2007 02:46
Re: We Have Lights!
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stranger
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA
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Innovative Audio - good builder, been there many times. If you think about it, there's probably 2 days in building that pod. At shop rate, that's an expensive little piece. At auction, most people wouldn't put much value on it.
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#292989 - 02/05/2007 04:48
Re: We Have Lights!
[Re: MarkM]
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Loc: Manteca, California
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pic of design in progress
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Edited by gbeer (02/05/2007 04:48)
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