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#295391 - 16/03/2007 13:39 Bluescreen troubleshooting
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I have a computer at work that is bluescreening when you try to log into it. It does it for both domain and local accounts. It bluescreens with the same code every time. The code (0x0000008E, 0xc0000005, 0x8062BFBF, 0xAEEA0988, 0x00000000) indicates that a driver is trying to access invalid memory. The bluescreen doesn't specify which driver it is, so I'm supposed to track it down by using pstat.exe to find the driver at offset 0x8062BFBF, but I can't log in to use it. Safe mode allows you to log in, but it seems to fail to load the driver that's causing it to bluescreen. The Event Viewer gives me a list of what drivers weren't loaded, but I can't uninstall the associated programs from safe mode.

Any ideas how to proceed? I'd really rather not reinstall the system. I have the feeling that it's a problem with Symantec AntiVirus, but I could be wrong about that.
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#295392 - 16/03/2007 14:12 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: wfaulk]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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Any ideas how to proceed?


Presumably you've run Memtest?
Does it come up in safe mode?
Boot to Windows PE or a recovery console and rename the Symantec .SYS files?
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#295393 - 16/03/2007 15:23 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: wfaulk]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
I say, do a logged boot.

When it bluescreens, go back to safe mode. Open the log. Whatever the last "Loading xxxxx.sys" line is in the log, that's yer bad boy.
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#295394 - 16/03/2007 16:25 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: tfabris]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
The thing is, though, it doesn't crash on boot. It only crashes once you type in your username and password. Is the bootlog still logging by the time it gets to that point?

And, if it is, should I just move the .SYS file out of the Windows folder and try to boot again?

If it's not still logging at that point, do you have any other suggestions?
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#295395 - 16/03/2007 18:28 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: wfaulk]
tfabris
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Posts: 31600
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If the crash doesn't happen until login, I'm unconvinced the culprit will be a SYS driver in that case. Don't they load before login?

Now, I'd instead look at what's in the "run" locations: Win.ini, HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run (etc) and whatever is in the startup folder for all users and for the current user.
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#295396 - 16/03/2007 21:29 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: wfaulk]
AndrewT
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
It may just be a regular RAM fault. Chances are that the OS's memory footprint changes somewhat at that stage of the startup process. Not that it's as conclusive as physically swapping or removing memory modules... you could try the /MAXMEM option in msconfig to limit the system RAM available to the OS.

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#295397 - 17/03/2007 17:57 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: AndrewT]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I didn't say it, but I did run memtest for quite some time with no errors. I feel pretty certain that it's not a memory problem, but I've been wrong before.
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#295398 - 18/03/2007 13:10 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: tfabris]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
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If the crash doesn't happen until login, I'm unconvinced the culprit will be a SYS driver in that case. Don't they load before login?


Normally, yes, but they can be demand-loaded.
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#295399 - 18/03/2007 14:59 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: Roger]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Is there anything in Windows itself that would load a driver during login, or only an application that's run during login?

Knowing this would allow me to narrow it down to an at-login application or not.
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#295400 - 18/03/2007 17:33 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: wfaulk]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
Hey, Bitt, I'm sure you tried this already. But in case you haven't...

Try pulling every card out of the machine except the video card, and unplugging every peripheral except the power cord and the monitor. See if the machine boots without a bluescreen. (You might have to plug in a keyboard, but no more than that.)
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#295401 - 18/03/2007 17:37 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: wfaulk]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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Is there anything in Windows itself that would load a driver during login


Not that I'm aware of, but I could be wrong.

A thought: Windows does allow you to debug it over a serial cable. You'll need to add the /debug switch in boot.ini, and run a kernel debugger on another PC over a null modem link. I'm not suggesting that you get your hands really dirty, but you could use this to (hopefully) get a log of what drivers are being loaded when, even after you're in the GUI.

See this list of debuggers, and this page for the boot.ini switches.
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#295402 - 18/03/2007 19:23 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: Roger]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
Is this app of any use here? C:\WINDOWS\system32\verifer.exe

Not quite sure how it's used but it seems like it might be relevant.

Some MS KB numbers 244617 298690


Edited by gbeer (18/03/2007 19:32)
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#295403 - 18/03/2007 19:26 Re: Bluescreen troubleshooting [Re: tfabris]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
It's a laptop, so there's not really anything to pull out.
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